WE ARE NOT AUSSIES
WE ARE CLEARLY DIFFERENT/SUPERIOR TO THE AUSSIES
KIWI'S RULE!!!
For someone to say we are one in the same, its an unsult.
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XHTML CSS Compliant.
Taupo, NZ.
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This thread is now completely off topic.
THREAD CLOSED
Thanks
Russ
WE ARE NOT AUSSIES
WE ARE CLEARLY DIFFERENT/SUPERIOR TO THE AUSSIES
KIWI'S RULE!!!
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t94xr.net.nz webmaster wrote:
WE ARE NOT AUSSIES
WE ARE CLEARLY DIFFERENT/SUPERIOR TO THE AUSSIES
KIWI'S RULE!!!
For someone to say we are one in the same, its an unsult.
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Cameron W (aka t94xr)
On Wed, 25 Aug 2004 15:53:14 +1000, Mark Stanton wrote:
If I didn't know that you were going to be *very* involved in helping
Gary run the Brisbane meetings soon - I'd ban you too.
Oooh! Is Scott going to give a presentation at a brisbane WSG meeting
soon?
Excellent!
Let us know what your
I noticed someone made the comment that the preferred floats to absolute
positioning.
I have just created a new design using absolute positioning. It 'seems' to
work across IE, Mozilla, Opera and latest Netscape (I'm trying to forget
about NS4.7).
But what is the consensus amongst my esteemed
Thank you all for sharing your opinions - fight it out at Web Essentials 04.
Please do not continue this topic further.
Thank you.
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Hey all
I'd love to know the number of Kiwis on the list. Also your locations.
Do we have enough Kiwis to start running some meetings of our own?
I'm heading to WE04 - any other Kiwis going??
Cheers
M
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Anura,
I noticed someone made the comment that the preferred floats to
absolute
positioning.
I have just created a new design using absolute positioning. It
'seems' to
work across IE, Mozilla, Opera and latest Netscape (I'm trying to
forget
about NS4.7).
But what is the consensus amongst my
Guys,
To put a final end to this topic
You Aussies will never have us Kiwis.
We would rather bring our country down to get
away from yours.
Its embarrasing when people mix us up when
they mention down under.
And besides, theres a clear line between us Kiwis
and you aussies. We are a much
http://webstandardsgroup.org/manage/index.cfm tells us that there's 11
Kiwi's. I'm just South of Auckland. Not going to WE04 unfortunately.
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Sent: Wednesday, 25 August 2004 7:03 p.m.
To: [EMAIL
What part about THIS TOPIC IS CLOSED do you not understand Cameron?
On 25/08/2004, at 5:11 PM, t94xr.net.nz webmaster wrote:
Guys,
To put a final end to this topic
You Aussies will never have us Kiwis. We would rather bring our
country down to get away from yours.
Its embarrasing when people mix
Name is still perfectly valid for form elements (inputs, selects, etc),
just not for the FORM element itself.
http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml-modularization/abstract_modules.html#s_forms
In any case, you should be using DOM scripting (with IDs assigned to the
relevant elements and getElementById or
When done properly, with due care for which parent container it uses,
absolute positioning yields a lot more robust results, imho. It would be
dangerous to simply dismiss absolute positioning in favour of floats.
You've just got to be careful in how you position things, to avoid
potential
hehehehe
Damn you Gary!
I might do a bit of a talk i guess on CSS + DHTML? if anyones got an
interest. I've just spent the last few days writing a bunch of CFMX controls
(*cough* ripped off Flex XUL *cough*) that basically utilise XHTML Strict
DTD (heh), DHTML + CSS. Its got some nice smarts in
On 8/25/04 12:03 AM Martin Baylis [EMAIL PROTECTED] sent this out:
I'd love to know the number of Kiwis on the list. Also your locations.
Do we have enough Kiwis to start running some meetings of our own?
I'm heading to WE04 - any other Kiwis going??
And let's have it off-list direct to
Martin Baylis wrote:
Hey all
I'd love to know the number of Kiwis on the list. Also your locations.
Do we have enough Kiwis to start running some meetings of our own?
I'm heading to WE04 - any other Kiwis going??
Cheers
M
Me - I'm a Kiwi...I'm in auckland.
I wish i could afford the WE04 - still
Lisa,
I've been doing a little work on this subject:
Accessible form guidelines.
Attaching focus to objects via with JS via the DOM.
Accessible expanded help.
It's still a work in progress (not that clear) but I'm happy to take critiques,
suggestions, improvements, rewordings, e.t.c
I've got a page with a small logon form, nothing major. It has a couple of
small hurdles for validating as XHTML 1.0 strict though.
The first is that XHTML doesn't support the name attribute, so of course my
php that processes this login feature won't work with id instead of name. Is
there
Hi Anura,
Personally, I go with floats every time.
Absolute positioning relies on the display size too much.
It also allows coders to apply fixes to the document flow.
Have you considered the documents appearance on a 160px wide PDA?
How about a Braille reader?
mike 2k:)2
marqueeblink
El mié, 25-08-2004 a las 10:39, Steven Clark escribió:
I've got a page with a small logon form, nothing major. It has a couple of
small hurdles for validating as XHTML 1.0 strict though.
The first is that XHTML doesn't support the name attribute, so of course my
php that processes this
On Wed, 25 Aug 2004 09:49:52 +0100, Mike Foskett
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Personally, I go with floats every time.
Absolute positioning relies on the display size too much.
I try to mix it up a bit - there's lots of browser bugs with floats
(think Mac IE5). Absolute positioning is fantastic for
There is nothing wrong with your PHP, the Validator (just like the
browser) never sees it.
The exact error is:
Line 76, column 146: document type does not allow element input
here; missing one of p, h1, h2, h3, h4, h5, h6, div,
pre, address, fieldset, ins, del start-tag
Mmm, interesting.The validator can't see the php, I know, but pull the php
off the page and it validates as strict, while put it on the page and it
doesn't! Cut and paste the code off the page for yourself into a blank page
and run it, you'll see it validates perfectly. Its the processing of
I'm constantly amazed by how many web standards designers there seem to
be in Australia and New Zealand. I'm sure a lot of this is to do with
the excellent WSG list and the great work folks like Russ and Jonh have
done to promote standards in the antipodes.
I've come across several really nice
On Wed, 25 Aug 2004 20:06:58 +1000, Natalie Buxton wrote:
One possible cause for this message is that you have attempted to put
a block-level element (such as p or table) inside an inline
element (such as a, span, or font).
Your input tag has to be wrapped by a block element inside the form
div class=component
dl
dtsite links/dt
dda
href=index.php?PHPSESSID=f75179837d39c628a21dd2b2ddb79002Home/a/dd
dda
href=archives.php?PHPSESSID=f75179837d39c628a21dd2b2ddb79002Archives/a/dd
dda href=http://www.lindenlangdon.com;Website/a/dd
/dl
/div
Thanks to your advice guys I got it validating. How? Simply by making my
relative URLs into absolute URLs.
You were also right about the name attributes within the form, great stuff.
I was wrong on that one.
It seems that if you just put relative addressing in your XHTML code for
links then
Hi Steven,
Firstly XHTML DOES support the name attribute for input elements, there
is no other way to parse form data. It appears the problem lies
elsewhere, not in the PHP code either.
I do recommend removing the PHPSESSID it can cause problems, there is
plenty of info to remove the url
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Sent: Wednesday, August 25, 2004 6:07 AM
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Subject: Re: [WSG] PHP is stopping my page validating as xhtml 1.0 Strict
The exact error is:
Line 76, column 146: document
On Wednesday, Aug 25, 2004, at 18:49 Australia/Sydney, Mike Foskett
wrote:
Have you considered the documents appearance on a 160px wide PDA?
How about a Braille reader?
Surely you wouldn't deliver the layout CSS to either of these
devices... semantically structured text and (for the PDA)
Nick,
Surely you wouldn't deliver the layout CSS to either of these
devices... semantically structured text and (for the PDA) minimal
relevant images only - ?
Quite correct, I wouldn't, but I've noticed one user on a PDA device that completely
ignored the mobile device CSS.
One more plus for
Steven Clark wrote:
Mmm, interesting.The validator can't see the php, I know, but pull the
php off the page and it validates as strict, while put it on the page
and it doesn't! Cut and paste the code off the page for yourself into
a blank page and run it, you'll see it validates perfectly. Its
Kay,
There's not that much of a problem with IE v5.2 and floats.
Just avoid conditions where it incorrectly inherits and add clear's.
It's been a while since I've used absolute positioning (2 yrs plus).
Though I'm pretty sure we used to have problems with coordinate mapping on Mac IE.
I somehow
There is an issue with session generation through a web form and validation.
Automatically creating a session that is to be passed through a POST creates
a hidden input field directly after the first form tag. Since in XHTML, a
form requires that a block level element (like fieldset) enclose
As already mentioned, it's due to the url rewriter. You need to
get it to write the session id inside a fieldset, and not directly
in the form.
So: add a fieldset around your form's content and then have a look at
http://uk.php.net/manual/en/ref.session.php#ini.url-rewriter.tags.
As I don't have
Is this organization about standards or is it a club for
Australians and New Zealanders to slam each other?
Lee Roberts
http://www.roserockdesign.com
http://www.applepiecart.com
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Regardless of how witty a retort, how droll a barb, or how clever your
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Standards DO NOT POST IT TO WSG.
This isn't what the group is about. There are plenty
Hi everyone.
I don't know if you've noticed the new www.chevrolet.com web site. It is now
css-based. Congrats to the people that put it together. It must have been a lot of
work getting everyone co-ordinated for the re-launch.
The programmers are using loads of datalists. I use them a lot
On Tue, 24 Aug 2004 14:31:12 +1000, Anura Samara wrote:
I am well on the way to developing new designs for our site. However, in
having the design tested for accessibility, I have run into some problems
with the way Opera handles zooming.
Hi Anura,
The only time I had problems with Opera's
Andy Budd wrote:
snip /
I've come across several really nice sites designed by aussies and
kiwis, many of which I've added to my links list. However I'm always on
the lookout for more cool, standards complains sites, so wondered who
you guys felt which companies and individuals were turning out
er...
[1] http://www.tvnz.co.nz
[2] http://www.e-government.govt.nz/docs/web-guidelines-2-1/
Darren Wood wrote:
...the TVNZ Site[1] is a nice
example...
The NZ
government has released a pretty sound set of Web Standards[2] which is
slowly making people think more about their webdesign.
Darren Wood wrote:
Have a look at some of
the sites coming out of NZ at the momentthe TVNZ Site[1] is a nice
example...
I'm also based in Auckland implementing web-based applications and doing
my best to spread the web standards message. Good to see there are
others out there.
I'm afraid,
Peter Asquith wrote:
Darren Wood wrote:
Have a look at some of the sites coming out of NZ at the momentthe
TVNZ Site[1] is a nice example...
I'm also based in Auckland implementing web-based applications and doing
my best to spread the web standards message. Good to see there are
others
Darren Wood wrote:
Thats my exact point.
My apologies, I missed it!
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Thanks for that Mike, It's a great page of info!
Lisa
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From: Mike Foskett [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, August 25, 2004 6:36 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: [WSG] tab index vs java script in xhtml 1.0
Lisa,
I've been doing a little work on this
Thanks Patrick,
I'd noticed it was validating with name in form elements other than 'form'.
Thanks for the link too ;)
Lisa
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From: Patrick H. Lauke [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, August 25, 2004 5:30 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [WSG] tab index vs
Title: RE: [WSG] Best Aussie and Kiwi web standards designers
Andy asked However I'm always on the lookout for more cool, standards compliant sites, so wondered who you guys felt which companies and individuals were turning out the best work down under?
2 that i'm pretty sure are on this
Title: RE: [WSG] Best Aussie and Kiwi web standards designers
yeah,
apparently these guys know what they're talking about too ;)
http://www.maxdesign.com.au/
Lisa
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2004 10:31 AMTo: '[EMAIL
Update: I've started a list/group. Anyone interested can subscribe
here:
http://lists.indent.com.au/mailman/listinfo/interface
On 25/08/2004, at 3:04 AM, Justin French wrote:
I'm sitting here ummming and ahhhing over interface designs for
complex forms here at 3am (yes, workaholic), and I
motivated by the recent email about http://www.chevrolet.com is
therean up to datelist of well constructed websites that use CSS. -
Roly
http://www.webstandardsawards.com/
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motivated by the recent email about
http://www.chevrolet.com is there an up to date
list of well constructed websites that use CSS. -
Roly
Hi Kay,
I found this site yesterday. I think this is something like what you
are looking for.
It looks like, just for the top header image, they embed 3 images in the
html, then put a background image (4th image) that's styled to repeat
along the width of the view port, no matter what size it
Oops...mybad
http://matrix.squiz.net/
Hi Kay,
I found this site yesterday. I think this is something like what you
are looking for.
It looks like, just for the top header image, they embed 3 images in the
html, then put a background image (4th image) that's styled to repeat
along the width of
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