VACList-Digest Tuesday, September 11, 2001 Issue 59
Today's Topics:
1. Re: HW Bypass - Center bath Sovereign
2. Renovation Video Tapes
3. Re: Flooring
4. Re: 1964 Globe Trotter Weight
5. Re: 1964 Globe Trotter Weight
6. Airstream For Sale
7. Re: HW Bypass - Center bath Sovereign
8. Re: HW Bypass - Center bath Sovereign
9. Re: HW Bypass - Center bath Sovereign
10. Re: WAS Mystery Leak
11. Re: 1964 Globe Trotter Weight
12. Re: WAS Mystery Leak
13. Perps
14. Re: WAS Mystery Leak
15. Lost Taillight Lens on Trip Home
16. Re: Lost Taillight Lens on Trip Home
17. Re: Ground Rules for submissions to the list? "Plain Text" Attention
Moderator
18. After the Break-in
19. Re: Renovation Video Tapes
20. FLOORING BOLTS
21. Airstream For Sale
22. Re: WAS Mystery Leak
23. Re: WAS Mystery Leak
24. Who allowed this?
25. Today's Terrorism
26. Re: Who allowed this?
27. Re: Today's Terrorism
28. Re: Today's Terrorism
29. Re: Who allowed this?
30. Re: Who allowed this?
31. Re: Ground Rules for submissions to the list? "Plain Text"
32. Re: Rent a Tow Vehicle?
33. Re: Who allowed this?
34. Re: Who allowed this?
35. Re: WAS Mystery Leak
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Message Number: 1
Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2001 19:49:09 -0400
From: "David W. Lowrey" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: HW Bypass - Center bath Sovereign
Roger,
Im confused.... (a common occurrence with me, I am afraid... :-), so
please excuse my ignorance.
There IS a valve with a red handle under the sink.
I didnt know this was the hot water heater bypass. I thought it was one of
the water system drains.
I assume that bypass means that the hot water system no longer goes through
the hot water heater. Is this correct? How does this one work? I see no
mention of it in the owners manual.
I just bought mu A/S, so I have not had to winterize it. I hate getting RV
antifreeze in teh hot water tank, because it takes 6 months to get the
taste out afterwards...
* goes to examine the plumbing diagrams in the service manual *
At 04:28 PM 9/10/01 -0700, you wrote:
>If it's like my 1975 31" center bath, the bypass is behind the door under
>the sink. The handle should be painted red.
>
__________________________________________________________________________
Dave Lowrey | E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Trying hard to recreate what's never been created...
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Message Number: 2
Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2001 19:10:43 -0500
From: thisisJohn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Renovation Video Tapes
Hello Fellow Aficionados
Terry O'Neill pointed out the Healthy Homes web site in a previous
post. While poking around out there I came across their publication list
noted here:
http://www.healthy-homes.com/pubs.html
They offer 10 or so different video tapes on inspecting, cleaning, and
renovating aluminum trailers (primarily Airstream). For example they have
a 4 tape set on "Metal Working: Rebuilding Trailer Interiors" for $150 and
a two tape set on "Rebuilding Airstream Subfloors" for $75. Also
"Renovating Trailers Video, Part I" for $100. Another interesting title is
"Finding Leaks in Aluminum Trailers" for $50 which deals with 70's type
Airstream trailers and they claim that they are also preparing a similar
tape for 60's Airstream trailers.
Has anyone on the list actually seen any of these video tapes? If so do
you think they are worth the asking price for them?
Are their other sources of this kind of information which you have discovered?
Thanks...
John Buffalow
WBCCI 3900
1955 Cruiser (shell)
1960 Tradewind
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Message Number: 3
Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2001 20:31:33 -0400
From: Thornton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Flooring
In our '65 Safari we went the easy and inexpensive way. I think it looks great
and is functional.
We put the 12" square commercial tiles in the front and rear. In the middle of
the trailer we used commercial grade carpeting. The tiles are not linoleum but
the 3\16" thick glue down type. Both wear very well and are a breeze to clean.
We are not sure yet what we are going to put in our Ambassador. We are still
looking around.
- Mike Thornton
"David W. Lowrey" wrote:
> We plan to put new floor covering in our '77 Sovereign.
>
> We are thinking of either a Pergo-like floor, or sheet linoleum. I would be
> interested to hear from folks on the pros and cons of both.
>
> I have heard references to "cork" flooring. What is this? I assume it's not
> the same cork that you stick up on walls. Is there a web site that
> describes it somewhere?
>
> Thanks!
>
> Dave
>
> Dave Lowrey - [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> '77 Sovereign
> Cincinnati, Ohio
>
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Message Number: 4
Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2001 18:31:33 -0700
From: "Globetrotter64" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: 1964 Globe Trotter Weight
I have not weighed our trailer yet (next trip out we will try to weigh it at
Flying J)
The manual lists the weight of the 1964 19' Globe Trotter at 2,890 lbs. with
a hitch weight of 385 lbs.
Now for the strange part - The manual lists a
17' Bambi II at 1950lbs. with a hitch weight of 250 lbs. and a
22' Safari Twin at 3,100 lbs. and hitch weight 305 lbs.
So a 19' Globe Trotter only weights 210 lbs less than a 22' Safari and has a
80 lb. greater hitch weight?? Did someone make a typing error in the
manual???
Anyway hope this helps answer your question about how much it weights.
Arlen & Shirley Manning Napa CA
1964 Globetrotter
http://home.att.net/~globetrotter64/
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Message Number: 5
Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2001 18:49:04 -0700
From: Paul Farley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: 1964 Globe Trotter Weight
Globetrotter64 wrote:
> I have not weighed our trailer yet (next trip out we will try to weigh it at
> Flying J)
> The manual lists the weight of the 1964 19' Globe Trotter at 2,890 lbs. with
> a hitch weight of 385 lbs.
Hi Mannings,
First, thank you for all the polishing information you've put out on the net.
I have a 65 GT 20 footer. I weighed it with full propane tanks, all other tanks
empty, trailer unloaded. Tongue wt: #520
Trailer wt #3340.
Hope this helps.
Paul 65GT
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Message Number: 6
Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 21:35:06 -0500
From: "John R. Kleven" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Airstream For Sale
I will be putting a 68 Overlander on Ebay soon that is in great shape if
anybody is interested. Everything works. AC is a newer Coleman and it runs
perfect. Upholstery had been replaced in Route 66 pattern and carpet is in
great shape. One pic looks like there are dents on the side but they are
just reflection as it was raining when I took the pics. The vertical
streaks are rain water. There are no dents anywhere on the skin. Floor is
solid and no evidence of leaks. You can view a few pics at this link.
http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=1776329&a=13744727&f=0
Randy
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Message Number: 7
Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2001 20:53:59 -0600
From: Charlie/Betty Burke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: HW Bypass - Center bath Sovereign
Dave,
You will find when you take the toilet out and the panel that there is not
enough room to install a bypass. The only practical option is to install the
bypass around on the forward side of the heater in the area under the sink.
Over the years there have been several different types of bypasses. There are 1
valve, 2 valve and the most common 3 valve versions. The 1 valve version is
almost always a quarter turn valve. Many of the 2 & 3 valves versions are also
quarter turn. These are simpler to use in such a limited space and you can tell
at a glance what position they are in.
Charlie
"David W. Lowrey" wrote:
> Has anyone managed to install a HW Heater bypass on a 31' Sovereign with a
> center bath?
>
> The service manual for my '77 claims that the plumbing side of the heater
> is behind a cabinet door, but it sure as heck looks like it's behind a
> riveted plastic panel right next to the toilet.
>
> I supposed I could take the toilet out, then drill the rivets out of the
> panel to remove it, then install the bypass, but I would have to rig it up
> so it was easy to remove so I could use the bypass without having to remove
> the toilet each time. :-)
>
> Dave
>
> Dave Lowrey - [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> 1977 31' Sovereign (center bath)
> Cincinnati, Ohio
>
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Message Number: 8
Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2001 22:04:28 -0500
From: "Charlie Gunkel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: HW Bypass - Center bath Sovereign
David
I have a 77 31ft Sovereign center bath. I was able to get a bypass kit
installed but it is a real tight fit. I had Hunter RV here in Tulsa do the
plumbing. I did have to remove the panel, and was able to remove it without
taking the toilet out. I think it had been removed before because there was
a crack along the top where it fit into the bottom part of the sink cabnet.
I had to press down on the flat area to get the panel out. I took it to
Hunter with the panel out and they installed the bypass between the intake
and outlet of the water tank using the existing copper lines. I cut a hole
about 4 X 4 in the panel directly over the valve which allows me enough room
to reach in with my fingers just enough to move the valve. You can't see
the hole unless you are in the bathroom at the sink or on the toilet. It
didn't bother me enough to try to make a covering for the hole using the
piece that I cut out so I left it open. It is a real tight fit getting the
panel back in place but it is possible.
I hope this makes sense---I know it's a difficult job, but I really like to
be able bypass the hot water tank and pump the lines full of antifreeze when
winterizing.
I was real glad I had the bypass kit when on the first day of a 5 day outing
to TableRock lake over July 4th the water tank failed with a hole in the
tank causing water to "stream" out of the watertank when I turned on the
waterpump. I just bypassed the hot water tank and could pressurize the
system with no more leak! We had to heat water with the stove for washing
dishes for the next 5 days, used the hot showers provided at the camp
grounds where we were staying but at least we had water! I figure the
bypass kit paid for itself that one trip:-) I do now have a brand new bowen
hot water tank so it should be good for another 25 years I figure.
Dave, it sounds like we have the same models---ours has twin beds in the
back. I would enjoy comparing notes with you and would be happy to discuss
the bypass installation over the phone some time if you are interested.
I'm sending this reply to the list in case there are any other 77 Sovereigns
with center bath. In the future we can communicate direct.
Email me direct at [EMAIL PROTECTED] or my phone numbers are:
Office 918-492-3034
Home 918-496-1303
Cell 918-402-5147
Look forward to hearing from you.
Charlie
Original Message -----
From: David W. Lowrey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: Multiple recipients of VACList <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, September 10, 2001 5:51 PM
Subject: [VAC] HW Bypass - Center bath Sovereign
> Has anyone managed to install a HW Heater bypass on a 31' Sovereign with a
> center bath?
>
> The service manual for my '77 claims that the plumbing side of the heater
> is behind a cabinet door, but it sure as heck looks like it's behind a
> riveted plastic panel right next to the toilet.
>
> I supposed I could take the toilet out, then drill the rivets out of the
> panel to remove it, then install the bypass, but I would have to rig it up
> so it was easy to remove so I could use the bypass without having to
remove
> the toilet each time. :-)
>
> Dave
>
> Dave Lowrey - [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> 1977 31' Sovereign (center bath)
> Cincinnati, Ohio
>
>
>
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Message Number: 9
Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2001 22:17:46 -0500
From: "Charlie Gunkel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: HW Bypass - Center bath Sovereign
Charlie,
Mine is the 1 valve version which is a quarter turn valve. I agree that a
much simpler installation would be in front of the water tank. I just
didn't want to have to cut into those copper lines!
Had that great looking of yours out lately?
Charlie Gunkel
----- Original Message -----
From: Charlie/Betty Burke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: Multiple recipients of VACList <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, September 10, 2001 9:53 PM
Subject: [VAC] Re: HW Bypass - Center bath Sovereign
> Dave,
>
> You will find when you take the toilet out and the panel that there is not
> enough room to install a bypass. The only practical option is to install
the
> bypass around on the forward side of the heater in the area under the
sink.
> Over the years there have been several different types of bypasses. There
are 1
> valve, 2 valve and the most common 3 valve versions. The 1 valve version
is
> almost always a quarter turn valve. Many of the 2 & 3 valves versions are
also
> quarter turn. These are simpler to use in such a limited space and you can
tell
> at a glance what position they are in.
>
> Charlie
>
> "David W. Lowrey" wrote:
>
> > Has anyone managed to install a HW Heater bypass on a 31' Sovereign with
a
> > center bath?
> >
> > The service manual for my '77 claims that the plumbing side of the
heater
> > is behind a cabinet door, but it sure as heck looks like it's behind a
> > riveted plastic panel right next to the toilet.
> >
> > I supposed I could take the toilet out, then drill the rivets out of the
> > panel to remove it, then install the bypass, but I would have to rig it
up
> > so it was easy to remove so I could use the bypass without having to
remove
> > the toilet each time. :-)
> >
> > Dave
> >
> > Dave Lowrey - [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >
> > 1977 31' Sovereign (center bath)
> > Cincinnati, Ohio
> >
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> >
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> >
> >
>
>
>
>
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Message Number: 10
Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2001 23:21:32 -0400
From: "Richard P. Kenan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: WAS Mystery Leak
At 02:29 PM 9/10/2001 -0700, you wrote:
> It occurs to me, in light of last night's break-in into Don's A/S, that
> electrifying the skin might be an
>effective deterrent... a heavy-duty capacitor between the battery and the
>actual ground outside the door would make breaking-and-entering an
>experience to remember....
Would it really? a 12 Volt battery will only charge a capacitor
- of any size - to 12 volts. Not much of a shock. A 120 V system would
give a potentially lethal shock, not only to wrong-doers, as someone
already posted.
- Dick
(5368)
"When I was fourteen, my father was so ignorant I could hardly stand to
have the old man around. But when I got to be twenty-one, I was astonished
at how much he had learned in seven years." - Mark Twain
Dick Kenan Tel: 770-451-0672
Retired and loving it!
WBCCI # 5368, 28' 1995 Excella
Atlanta
mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.mindspring.com/~as5368/
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Message Number: 11
Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2001 22:01:59 -0500
From: "Dr. Gerald N. Johnson, electrical engineer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: 1964 Globe Trotter Weight
Hitch weight depends a great deal on balance. Just the weight of the LP
tanks and their contents can account for nearly 100 pounds of hitch
weight. Then the water in the fresh water tank has a big effect. That's
only counterbalanced by black water after a while on the road if the
black water tank is at the rear. Beyond that the balance depends on the
distribution of the cabinets and the provisions in the cabinets. Better
to have a bit heavy tongue than a bit light one. The trailer with the
bit light tongue weight tends to trail reluctantly trying to head its
own directions.
Gerald J.
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Message Number: 12
Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2001 21:38:06 -0700
From: Tuna <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: WAS Mystery Leak
it ain't the volts, it's the amps - ever caught a spark from the coil?
tuna
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Message Number: 13
Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 01:15:10 -0400
From: "Mr. Joy H. Hansen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Perps
Guess the subject is still vandalism or what ever it's called now-a-days.
Better to carry the insurance and take your bruises. Shit happens! For
those that are full timing, you have my empathy just as I would if it
happened to my residence.
Rather than attempt to punish the vandals, why not employ spy accessories
and take their pictures, etc. Better to confront them in court if that's
your desire. However, if they enter while I'm present and armed - history
for the vandals!
I don't think there's any restriction on my percussion cap/black powder
revolvers - they still pack one hell of a wallop! As in the old days, I'd
sure hate to be infront of one.
'69 Safari, Joy
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Message Number: 14
Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2001 22:03:45 -0700
From: Brian Kelly <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: WAS Mystery Leak
>it ain't the volts, it's the amps - ever caught a spark from the coil?
Actually it's the volts, unless you're trying to kill them. As they
taught us in engineering school, "It's the volts that jolt, it's the
mils that kill."
Also if you're coil is putting out 12 volts, at any current, you're
not going anywhere.
Cheers,
Brian
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Message Number: 15
Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2001 22:22:24 -0700
From: "Brad Norgaard" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Lost Taillight Lens on Trip Home
Greetings,
On the return trip in finally getting my '59 Trade Wind home to Phoenix,
we had a few adventures. On the freeway in downtown Oakland, one of the
skins underneath decided it was time to let go in the front. We could hear a
funny scraping noise. Other drivers were flagging us down. We pulled over at
an onramp and "bungeed" the loose skin to the axle. Later when we pulled
over at a rest stop around 9PM to change drivers, we noticed one of the
Bargeman taillight lens had jumped ship. We spent the night there. Ever try
to sleep in a construction zone? In the morning, we modified one of those
red reflectors to cover the lights. Then, while driving through the Mojave
desert, we lost a few more underneath skins. Thank god for "bunjees." I used
about a dozen or so. Anyway, we made it home safely.
Now for my question, where can I get a matching set of those Bargeman tail
light lens? I think they're called "wedding cake" lenses. The remaining one
says Bargeman Trail-Lite No. 99. I'm finding out they're hard to come by.
Any ideas out there?
Brad Norgaard
'59 Trade Wind (finally home)
Phoenix
WBCCI #2699, VAC
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Message Number: 16
Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 06:14:25 -0500
From: "Tom Patterson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Lost Taillight Lens on Trip Home
http://www.airstreamdreams.com has these lens.
-Tom
>
> Now for my question, where can I get a matching set of those Bargeman tail
> light lens? I think they're called "wedding cake" lenses. The remaining
one
> says Bargeman Trail-Lite No. 99. I'm finding out they're hard to come by.
> Any ideas out there?
>
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Message Number: 17
Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 07:12:18 -0500
From: "Tom Patterson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Ground Rules for submissions to the list? "Plain Text" Attention
Moderator
Whatever you submitted is not the same as that submitted by others. Your
second submission did consist of html and trash instead of a picture. I
never see the html, or the trash when others submit. I suspect that your
reception problem may be either that you are using an outdated browser, or
do not have the browser set correctly.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mr. Joy H. Hansen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Multiple recipients of VACList" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, September 10, 2001 10:00 PM
Subject: [VAC] Ground Rules for submissions to the list? "Plain Text"
Attention Moderator
> Hi All,
>
> Two things bother me a lot since I get the batch of VAClist notes each
day.
>
> First, the notes are frequently submitted in HTML (rich text). When this
> happens, the document appears in two part MIME presentation - a huge waste
> of my down button. Unfortunately, if I delete one, it deletes all.
>
> Second, when pictures are inserted using the HTML, the two part goes on
> forever because the picture is so large.
>
> I think the rule for presenting pictures is that they be less than 40K and
> also be an attachment to a plain text document.
>
> I'm not all that computer literate, but I recall some of this from past
> experience as I make colossal mistakes on a frequent basis.
>
> So, to test the theory? I'll submit this text in two forms. One in (rich
> text) HTML with a picture inserted. The other in plain text with the
> picture as an attachment of less than 40K.
>
> '69 Safari, Joy
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Message Number: 18
Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 08:03:18 -0500
From: "Don Hardman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: After the Break-in
I have added a picture to my web page of what I discovered when I found that
the trailer had been broken in to compared to what it looked like just a few
days before. The good news is that with the exception of the radio and the
case and hopefully some minor damage to the door and lock, nothing else was
hurt. The kitchen and bedroom looked about the same, everything dumped out
on the floor but just a matter of picking everything up. Now to talk with my
insurance company.
Don Hardman
1976 31' Sovereign
http://home.att.net/~dhardman/wsb/html/view.cgi-home.html-.html
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Message Number: 19
Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 09:19:34 -0400
From: Thornton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Renovation Video Tapes
I think your best source is right here in this group. Of course you kind of get
it in bits but it is free. I don't know if I could handle a 90 minute video from
any of these folks so bits and bites is pretty good. : - )
If anyone is interested in floor repair/replacement I consider myself an expert.
In know there are others out there that have done the dirty deed of floor
replacement. Joy just recently submitted a drawing showing how everyting is put
together. I wish I had that when I did my first.
I find the fun of restoration the trial and error. That might explain why a
number of us, atleast myself, own more than one. The things I learned on my first
one can now be applied to my second. And my second to my third.
If I was to purchase any of the restore tapes it would exceed the purchase price
of my trailers. Although I might be interested in the leak video. Although I do
have to say the Safari is pretty tight. We went camping at Cape San Blas, FL last
Thanksgiving. Friday night a huge storm blew in off the Gulf. It started raining
at 5:00 pm and did not stop until 5:00 the next morning. It must have dropped 5-6
inches of rain, nonstop. We felt like we were sitting in an aluminum can. Ear
plugs would have been nice. However the Safari only showed 2 very minor leaks.
Seemed like they were coming from around the window.
I would like to thank everyone that participates in this forum. There is no
better advice than the advice of experience. It's even better advice when it's
FREE!
Thanks to all.
thisisJohn wrote:
> Hello Fellow Aficionados
>
> Terry O'Neill pointed out the Healthy Homes web site in a previous
> post. While poking around out there I came across their publication list
> noted here:
>
> http://www.healthy-homes.com/pubs.html
>
> They offer 10 or so different video tapes on inspecting, cleaning, and
> renovating aluminum trailers (primarily Airstream). For example they have
> a 4 tape set on "Metal Working: Rebuilding Trailer Interiors" for $150 and
> a two tape set on "Rebuilding Airstream Subfloors" for $75. Also
> "Renovating Trailers Video, Part I" for $100. Another interesting title is
> "Finding Leaks in Aluminum Trailers" for $50 which deals with 70's type
> Airstream trailers and they claim that they are also preparing a similar
> tape for 60's Airstream trailers.
>
> Has anyone on the list actually seen any of these video tapes? If so do
> you think they are worth the asking price for them?
>
> Are their other sources of this kind of information which you have discovered?
>
> Thanks...
>
> John Buffalow
> WBCCI 3900
> 1955 Cruiser (shell)
> 1960 Tradewind
>
> To unsubscribe or change to a daily Digest format, please go to
> http://airstream.net/vaclist/listoffice.html
>
> When replying to a message, please delete all unnecessary original text
>
>
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Message Number: 20
Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 09:24:37 -0400
From: Thornton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: FLOORING BOLTS
On the subject of flooring. I don't know if it has been discussed or
asked about what type of fasteners to use when putting in new plywood
flooring.
In my jobs I use a fluted self taping torx head screw/machine screw. I
am not sure of the exact technical term. The are most commonly referred
to as equipment trailer deck screws. They are used to hold the wood to
the top of equipment trailers. Trailers used for hauling tractors and
implements.
They use a pilot hole and are self threading into the frame. They are
also fluted so they are driven in flush with the decking. They also
have a torx drive head which makes for a good bite and eliminates the
change of striping the head.
I have always purchased them at trailer(equipment) repair shops. Or
your better fabrication/industrial supply stores may have them.
- Mike Thornton
'65 Safari
'67 Ambassador
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Message Number: 21
Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 08:47:41 -0500
From: "John R. Kleven" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Airstream For Sale
Sorry for the double post.
I will be putting a 68 Overlander on Ebay soon that is in great shape if
anybody is interested. Everything works. AC is a newer Coleman and it runs
perfect. Upholstery had been replaced in Route 66 pattern and carpet is in
great shape. One pic looks like there are dents on the side but they are
just reflection as it was raining when I took the pics. The vertical
streaks are rain water. There are no dents anywhere on the skin. Floor is
solid and no evidence of leaks. You can view a few pics at this link.
http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=1776329&a=13744727&f=0
Randy
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Message Number: 22
Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 09:28:26 -0500
From: "Dr. Gerald N. Johnson, electrical engineer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: WAS Mystery Leak
It takes generally 50 volts for humans to detect a tingle with dry skin.
Below that it varies according to skin moisture. Some tough skinned
"electricians" think 120 volts is just detectable. They are stupid.
Higher voltages, such as the 20,000 volts from a coil, break through dry
skin. As low as 500 volts will do that. I have a scar from 900 volts
punching a hole in a finger.
The current that results from voltage is critical to survival. Typically
currents under 10 ma are considered below the threshold of feeling.
Hence GFI trip at 5 ma. Currents from 15 to 25 ma, are felt strongly,
from 25 to about 50 take control of the muscles and prevent letting go
when grasping. Strong men have been known to crush bones endwise from
such currents. Current above 35 to 50 ma, in the vicinity of the heart
leads to ventricular fibrillation. This current is reached from shocks
of 120 volts. Ventricular fibrillation is a terminal condition with life
expectancy of less than 5 minutes unless there is a defibrillator and/or
CPR applied in that time period. Greater currents lead to heart
stoppage, from which spontaneous recovery can be triggered by a fall
when the current is stopped. Higher currents do significant internal
burn damage that is difficult to survive.
Gerald J.
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Message Number: 23
Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 13:09:05 -0400
From: "Richard P. Kenan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: WAS Mystery Leak
At 09:38 PM 9/10/2001 -0700, you wrote:
>it ain't the volts, it's the amps - ever caught a spark from the coil?
Sorry Tuna, it's the volts that you feel; the amps determine if you are
killed, but you must have the voltage to drive them through what is a
fairly high resistance - you. The spark from the coil is HV - several
thousand volts - with almost no amperage available; that won't kill
you. Yes, I've caught a few, including a 400,000 volt jolt from a Van Der
Graff machine; I jumped straight up, and stayed there. ;-)
- Dick
(5368)
"When I was fourteen, my father was so ignorant I could hardly stand to
have the old man around. But when I got to be twenty-one, I was astonished
at how much he had learned in seven years." - Mark Twain
Dick Kenan Tel: 770-451-0672
Retired and loving it!
WBCCI # 5368, 28' 1995 Excella
Atlanta
mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Message Number: 24
Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 13:30:29 EDT
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Who allowed this?
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Dear List:
Who gave up my name to these guys. It is not a matter of my being pro or anti
union, it is a matter of fact that I belong to this list to receive info
about Airstreams...Not SPAM.
So to whom ever is responsible please do not do this again.
Thanl you.
Airstream58
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Date: 9/11/01 3:13:01 AM Pacific Daylight Time
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Tuesday September 11, 11:20 am Eastern Time
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W.House's Hubbard says consumers "optimistic"
NEW YORK, Sept 10 (Reuters) - While consumers remained optimistic, given the
sharp U.S. economic slowdown, further declines in a weak stock market could
impair consumer confidence, White House economic adviser Glenn Hubbard said
on Monday.
``Further declines in the stock market might impair consumer confidence,''
Hubbard said. Hubbard said a lot of consumer wealth is in real estate, which
has held up well in the current downturn. ``Consumers seem very optimistic,
given the current state of the economy,'' Hubbard said.
Hubbard said, despite the shrinking budget surpluses due to slowing revenue
from the economic slowdown and the $1.35 trillion tax cut, it was unlikely
spending would have to dip into the Social Security portion of the surplus.
``I don't think we view it likely that there's going to be an on-budget
deficit in (fiscal year) 2002,'' Hubbard said. The government's 2002 fiscal
year begins in October.
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NEW YORK, Sept 10 (Reuters) - While consumers remained optimistic, given the
sharp U.S. economic slowdown, further declines in a weak stock market could
impair consumer confidence, White House economic adviser Glenn Hubbard said
on Monday.
``Further declines in the stock market might impair consumer confidence,''
Hubbard said. Hubbard said a lot of consumer wealth is in real estate, which
has held up well in the current downturn. ``Consumers seem very optimistic,
given the current state of the economy,'' Hubbard said.
Hubbard said, despite the shrinking budget surpluses due to slowing revenue
from the economic slowdown and the $1.35 trillion tax cut, it was unlikely
spending would have to dip into the Social Security portion of the surplus.
``I don't think we view it likely that there's going to be an on-budget
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Message Number: 25
Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 11:45:13 -0700
From: Tuna <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Today's Terrorism
I happen to be in NYC at the moment. I was in a taxicab headed down 5th
avenue this morning when the second plane struck the World Trade Center. The
Oklahoma City and 1993 World Trade Center attacks pale in comparison - i was
in a meeting this morning with a couple of WWII veterans, and there is
nothing with which
to compare this other than Pearl Harbor - maybe. Certainly nothing on the
mainland US in our nation's history.
I'm in a state of shock, knowing that a mile from here tens of thousands of
people lay dead or dying. Send prayers.
Tuna
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Message Number: 26
Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 15:03:40 -0400
From: "Richard P. Kenan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Who allowed this?
At 01:30 PM 9/11/2001 -0400, you wrote:
>Dear List:
>
>Who gave up my name to these guys. It is not a matter of my being pro or anti
>union, it is a matter of fact that I belong to this list to receive info
>about Airstreams...Not SPAM.
>
>So to whom ever is responsible please do not do this again.
There are lots of ways for spammers to get your name - including
your posts to lists and other sites. It's not necessarily someone on this
list. For example, I just got some spam addressed as follows:
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Have tax
problems? [tykx3]
I have no idea why it came to me; that's not my address, and I don't use MSN.
- Dick
(5368)
"When I was fourteen, my father was so ignorant I could hardly stand to
have the old man around. But when I got to be twenty-one, I was astonished
at how much he had learned in seven years." - Mark Twain
Dick Kenan Tel: 770-451-0672
Retired and loving it!
WBCCI # 5368, 28' 1995 Excella
Atlanta
mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.mindspring.com/~as5368/
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Message Number: 27
Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 15:07:01 -0400
From: "Richard P. Kenan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Today's Terrorism
At 11:45 AM 9/11/2001 -0700, you wrote:
>I happen to be in NYC at the moment. I was in a taxicab headed down 5th
>avenue this morning when the second plane struck the World Trade Center.
>[snip]
God, Tuna...what a horrible experience. We're all glad you
weren't too close to that horror. Our thoughts and prayers will be with
all the victims *and* with witnesses, who won't recover quickly either.
- Dick
(5368)
"When I was fourteen, my father was so ignorant I could hardly stand to
have the old man around. But when I got to be twenty-one, I was astonished
at how much he had learned in seven years." - Mark Twain
Dick Kenan Tel: 770-451-0672
Retired and loving it!
WBCCI # 5368, 28' 1995 Excella
Atlanta
mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.mindspring.com/~as5368/
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Message Number: 28
Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 14:14:32 -0500
From: lefty frizzell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Today's Terrorism
I got email from my son in law, who is on the USS Kersarge in the
Med...they know about what happened. But, I don't know how much they
are being told.
Pray for our servicemen during the time.
Lefty Frizzell
http://home.earthlink.net/~leftyfrizzell
-----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of
Tuna
Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 1:45 PM
To: Multiple recipients of VACList
Subject: [VAC] Today's Terrorism
I happen to be in NYC at the moment. I was in a taxicab headed down 5th
avenue this morning when the second plane struck the World Trade Center.
The Oklahoma City and 1993 World Trade Center attacks pale in comparison
- i was in a meeting this morning with a couple of WWII veterans, and
there is nothing with which to compare this other than Pearl Harbor -
maybe. Certainly nothing on the mainland US in our nation's history. I'm
in a state of shock, knowing that a mile from here tens of thousands of
people lay dead or dying. Send prayers.
Tuna
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Message Number: 29
Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 12:27:46 -0700
From: RJ & Krista <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Who allowed this?
Wrong List.
RJ
VAC Webmaster
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> Dear List:
>
> Who gave up my name to these guys?
<snip>
> Your [EMAIL PROTECTED] from http://www.vintage-vacations.com/postings.htm
> has been chosen to receive union relevant news.
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Message Number: 30
Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 12:24:11 -0700
From: Brian Kelly <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Who allowed this?
>Who gave up my name to these guys.
<snip>
> Your [EMAIL PROTECTED] from http://www.vintage-vacations.com/postings.htm
>has been chosen to receive union relevant news.
It looks like some spambot found your email address on a posting at
www.vintage-vacations.com.
These things troll the net looking for anything with an @ symbol in
it and then sell the addresses by the million on CDs.
The only thing you can do is not post your email address to any list
which isn't private. Or use a return address such as
[EMAIL PROTECTED] Most humans can work that out, but the
robots can't. Yet.
Cheers,
Brian
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Message Number: 31
Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 12:38:44 -0700
From: RJ & Krista <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Ground Rules for submissions to the list? "Plain Text"
Rich Text Format (RTF) is not HTML, it is Microsoft garbage. If someone
does send an HTML encoded posting, the server will pass it along as it
is received, and if the listee's browser is set up correctly, it will
display the image in-line. If your browser is not set up correctly, it
will display it as just a a bunch of ASCII characters.
But, we prefer that people do not send postings in HTML, as they are
larger file sizes, and the Digest will not display HTML, which creates a
bunch of formatting mumbo-jumbo that the poor Digest users have to wade
through. I am evaluating newer list software, and most of them strip
HTML - so it may not be an issue soon in the future. The key is to find
an application under $800 or so.
RJ
VAC Webmaster
"Mr. Joy H. Hansen" wrote:
> First, the notes are frequently submitted in HTML (rich text). When this
> happens, the document appears in two part MIME presentation - a huge waste
> of my down button. Unfortunately, if I delete one, it deletes all.
>
> Second, when pictures are inserted using the HTML, the two part goes on
> forever because the picture is so large.
>
> I think the rule for presenting pictures is that they be less than 40K and
> also be an attachment to a plain text document.
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Message Number: 32
Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 12:43:47 -0700
From: RJ & Krista <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Rent a Tow Vehicle?
I have never seen tow vehicle rentals. The Rental companies have even
taken to welding the balls on their hitches to prevent people from
swapping to other sizes. Of course, they don't have any brakes controls
either, relying on trailer surge brakes.
Only route I know of is borrowing one from a friend or family member.
RJ
VintageAirstream.com
Rich Good wrote:
> We are having a small problem with our fall road trip. Our usual towing
> vehicle (toyota 4-Runner) has been rendered unavailable for our use. We have
> a 22ft 68 Safari Twin - and a fine space pod it is! This news arrived too
> late to even think about buying a new vehicle. So i turn to all you experts
> out there: is there any way we can rent a tow vehicle with the full tow
> package? (full electrical hookup/brakes - not just that flat 3-prong thing)
> - we are looking at a trip without our trailer right now and thats serious!
> We live in Northern California and intend a short ten day trip to
> Utah/Arizona in Octobe
> Thanks for any help you can give.
> Rich & Andrea
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Message Number: 33
Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 12:53:58 -0700
From: "Bob Hightower" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Who allowed this?
> Dear List:
>
> Who gave up my name to these guys. It is not a matter of my being pro or
anti
> union, it is a matter of fact that I belong to this list to receive info
> about Airstreams...Not SPAM.
That didn't come from the list, I'm pretty sure. Someone spammed addresses
in AOL, and you were among the unlucky ones.
When you get something like this, forward it to abuse@(insert the
appropriate isp here), and they will try to track it down.
Bob Hightower
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Message Number: 34
Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 15:52:51 -0500
From: "Tom Patterson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Who allowed this?
I got this union message too, and it was also through the
vintage-vacations list. For whatever good it might have done, I reported it
to abuse......
I think that what happens is that these spammers are going through
these list posting, and harvesting e-mail addresses. It is for this very
reason that every message that I archive on my site from this list, and the
Airstream e-mail list have the e-mail addresses of those posting modified to
prevent their use by spammers. I don't know if anyone has noticed when
referring to these archives, but in all cases, the e-mail addresses appear
in a format such as radiodial@xxxxxxxxxxx.
-Tom
----- Original Message -----
From: "RJ & Krista" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Multiple recipients of VACList" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 2:27 PM
Subject: [VAC] Re: Who allowed this?
> Wrong List.
> RJ
> VAC Webmaster
>
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> >
> > Dear List:
> >
> > Who gave up my name to these guys?
>
> <snip>
> > Your [EMAIL PROTECTED] from
http://www.vintage-vacations.com/postings.htm
> > has been chosen to receive union relevant news.
> <snip>
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Message Number: 35
Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 19:05:25 -0400
From: "Scott Scheuermann" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: WAS Mystery Leak
Let's drop this thread please.
The Moderators
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