VACList-Digest Sunday, September 16, 2001 Issue 64
Today's Topics:
1. Dometic M52
2. Bargman
3. Re:
4. Re: refrig
5. Re: polisher to rent and vulkem 636
6. Re: Dometic M52
7. Re: polisher to rent and vulkem 636
8. thank-you -1971 Safari value
9. Re: 1959 Overlander
10. Re: 1959 Overlander Table
11. Re: refrig
12. Re: polisher to rent and vulkem 636
13. Re: refrig
14. Re: Parting out 67 Caravel
15. Re: Parting out 67 Caravel
16. Re: Dometic M52
17. Inspiring Site
18. Re: polisher to rent and vulkem 636
19. Re: Dometic M52
20. Re: refrig
21. Re: Parting out 67 Caravel
22. Re: refrig
23. Re: refrig
24. Re: refrig
25. Re: refrig
26. Re: Dometic M52
27. Internet access in the Airstream
28. Re: LED lighting fixtures.
29. Re: refrig
30. Re: Internet access in the Airstream
31. Re: Internet access in the Airstream
32. Re: 1959 Overlander Table
33. Re: polisher to rent and vulkem 636
34. Re: refrig
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Message Number: 1
Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2001 17:18:01 -0700
From: "Gary Quamen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Dometic M52
Hi all:
My original equipment Dometic M52 refrigerator is kaput. I successfully
replaced it with a Dometic RM2510.2.
Do not try this at home, kids...
Now I'm staring at the M52, deciding what I should do with it. I can make
arrangements for Waste Management to take it away in it's entirety. But
being the pack rat that I am, I feel that I should at least strip all the
removeable parts off of it.
Anybody need anything off of this thing? Free, of course. Reimburse the
shipping. The only thing I intend to keep is the front panel insert.
However, the new one has a great looking wood panel so I don't really know
why I need to even keep that.
1. Yes, I burped it.
2. No, it didn't run on either gas or elec (both produced heat).
3. Yes the flue baffle was in place.
4. Yes, it made pronounced gurgling sounds (very bad sign according to RV
Mobile).
Lemme know.
Later,
GQ '67 Safari
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Message Number: 2
Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2001 21:27:25 -0400
From: Bob Patterson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Bargman
Hi All,
Will a Bargman L-100 lock fit my 1953 Flying Cloud door? If not, what would
be the one to get?
Bob Patterson
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Message Number: 3
Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2001 20:16:10 -0600
From: Gerald or Donna Shippen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re:
Our 1966 Overlander and the 1962 Globe Trotter I recently acquired, both
have the same kind of step, which works great for me however my wife seems
to kick the thing out of position when she steps in and it then becomes a
hazzard! I think they are quite wonderful steps.
GAS
At 08:55 AM 9/15/01 -0400, you wrote:
>The entry steps that I have noticed from late 50's through early/mid 60's
>are all the same. A slide out and down, heavy thing that will take out your
>shins if you stand too close! They are almost an extension of the frame. I
>have not noticed a manufacturer's name.
>
>Scott
>1960 Overlander
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>To: "Multiple recipients of VACList" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Sent: Saturday, September 15, 2001 12:11 AM
>Subject: [VAC] Re:
>
>
>..... ANYWAY, on to Airstream things.....does ANYONE have knowledge of how
>many
>> different kind of entry steps were used in the late 50's and early 60's?
>> THIS really nice guy keeps asking me about one and it doesn't look like
>the
>> others I've seen. Were there different brands possibly? Who made them?
>>
>> Thanks
>> 3 Peaks
>>
>> WBCCI, VAC, AirstreamAddict
>> 59, 59, 60, 64, 65, and a late 70's (shhhh)
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Message Number: 4
Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2001 20:27:35 -0600
From: Gerald or Donna Shippen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: refrig
Gerald, seems entirey safe that way (no fire) but can't imagine how you keep
anything cold unless you use only ice? Which I have done, however, I got
tired of the ice melting and running out on the carpet. Last June in Arizona
I found that if I lit the frig. every time we stopped I could keep it all
cold, even at 100 degrees. I really must wire the suburban into the trailer
for charging purposes. Alas, now I'm off working on the Globe Trotter. And
my wife just shakes her head in disbelief! Cheers. GAS
At 09:28 AM 9/15/01 -0500, you wrote:
>I travel with the refrigerator set to propane. That's its only setting.
>But since the burner doesn't work its not lit. I need to work on that
>some day. There is an added baffle to protect the burner from drafts. I
>recall my dad fussing about some of his prior trailers, some would stay
>lit while on the road some wouldn't. In my '68 Airstream owner's manual
>it says shut the LP off while traveling. That was the state law many
>places then. It still may be. Remember some places won't allow propane
>tanks, even turned off, such as the Baltimore Tunnel.
>
>I'm not a great fan of gas appliances so I may be slow to fix my
>refrigerator.
>
>Gerald J.
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Message Number: 5
Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2001 19:39:12 -0700
From: "Cindy Hale" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: polisher to rent and vulkem 636
Hi All,
Perhaps my enthusiasm is not matched with information!
How long do you think it would take to polish a 59 Traveler?
How much Vulkem should I buy to reseal the seams?
How many yard of diaper material do I need?
How often does a person use their polisher? I guessed it would sit around
unused for weeks between touch-up polishes, so I thought someone might rent
their to offset their initial purchase price. Perhaps that's unrealistic of
me.
I do have help...but enthusiasm will wane if the rains start before the
polishing begins.
Please advise.
Cindy
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Message Number: 6
Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2001 20:44:29 -0600
From: Gerald or Donna Shippen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Dometic M52
Gary, I may be able to use the plastic door liner/insert, you know the part
that is green and holds your butter, film, etc. Could you possibly measure
that part I think it simply screws to the door just behind the magnetic
seal. Thanks, GAS
>Hi all:
>
>My original equipment Dometic M52 refrigerator is kaput. I successfully
>replaced it with a Dometic RM2510.2.
>
>Do not try this at home, kids...
>
>Now I'm staring at the M52, deciding what I should do with it. I can make
>arrangements for Waste Management to take it away in it's entirety. But
>being the pack rat that I am, I feel that I should at least strip all the
>removeable parts off of it.
>
>Anybody need anything off of this thing? Free, of course. Reimburse the
>shipping. The only thing I intend to keep is the front panel insert.
>However, the new one has a great looking wood panel so I don't really know
>why I need to even keep that.
>
>1. Yes, I burped it.
>
>2. No, it didn't run on either gas or elec (both produced heat).
>
>3. Yes the flue baffle was in place.
>
>4. Yes, it made pronounced gurgling sounds (very bad sign according to RV
>Mobile).
>
>Lemme know.
>
>Later,
>
>GQ '67 Safari
>
>
>
>
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Message Number: 7
Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2001 20:10:18 -0700
From: RJ & Krista <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: polisher to rent and vulkem 636
Having done it before and learned from my mistakes and experiments, I
think I could do it in about 4 very long weekends in a workshop - and
be dead tired each Monday too. It's about 40 ours total work. Biggest
problem is that you can't work when it's too cold or too sunny, so that
really stretches it out. And first time around, I'd give it an extra
40-50% learning curve.
The P Cyclo polishers are relatively cheap compared to paying someone to polish
and seal a 17' trailer like the Caravel ($2200).
1 tube of Vulkem for the big gaps and 1 tube of aluminum Cool-Seal or
Alcoa Gutter-Seal for the seams will do an entire trailer. As for the
sweatshirt material, maybe Shirley or Arlen Manning can estimate that out.
RJ
'65 Caravel
Cindy Hale wrote:
> Hi All,
> Perhaps my enthusiasm is not matched with information!
> How long do you think it would take to polish a 59 Traveler?
> How much Vulkem should I buy to reseal the seams?
> How many yard of diaper material do I need?
>
> How often does a person use their polisher? I guessed it would sit around
> unused for weeks between touch-up polishes, so I thought someone might rent
> their to offset their initial purchase price. Perhaps that's unrealistic of
> me.
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Message Number: 8
Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2001 23:18:58 -0400
From: "Russ Welch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: thank-you -1971 Safari value
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other people to fix what I couldn't, and spend lots of $ on it. So much =
fun! that I bought another one. As Tuna said, a bad case of =
aluminitis. But I DON'T think it will be fun to polish it. I have =
great respect for you out there who have done that. What patience! =
What hard work ! I am so impressed when someone polishes their trailer. =
I will sell this Safari, and let someone else worry about polishing it. =
As I have mentioned before, I have 7 kids under 11 years old and that's =
enough patience and hard work for me right now without adding polishing =
to my day. Besides, now I have this other (bigger) trailer to clean, =
work, and spend $ on !!! What fun ! Thanks again ! =20
Carrie Welch
WBCC#8344, VAC
1971 Safari 23'
1974 Argosy 26'
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Message Number: 9
Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2001 20:24:00 -0700
From: RJ & Krista <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: 1959 Overlander
Check out the one on this page from a 1957 Overlander. Don't know if it
is the original, but it looks just like the others I've seen from that era.
RJ
VintageAirstream.com
> Carl White wrote:
> The table is missing from the 1959 Overlander I just purchased. Would
> like to find one. Does anyone have a pic of one so I will know what I
> am looking for?
> Thanks,
> Carl
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Message Number: 10
Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2001 20:42:27 -0700
From: RJ & Krista <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: 1959 Overlander Table
It helps to send the link, huh?
http://www.VintageAirstream.com/archives1/57Overlander/%2757Overlander.html
RJ
VintageAirstream.com
> Carl White wrote:
> The table is missing from the 1959 Overlander I just purchased. Would
> like to find one. Does anyone have a pic of one so I will know what I
> am looking for?
> Thanks,
> Carll
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Message Number: 11
Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2001 21:50:35 -0600
From: Don Horn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: refrig
Most supermarkets sell dry ice. About a pound or so in the freezer should
get you through a day of driving with the fridge turned off, if it's already
cooled down, or will give the fridge a jump start if you forgot to turn it
on the night before leaving on a trip. (A pound takes up very little space
by the way).
I usually drive with the fridge running on gas. As Gerald has mentioned
more than once, this is illegal in some states, and in certain tunnels.
This kind of information is in road atlases and camping guides like
Woodall's.
Don
'63 Avion T-20 20-ft
> From: Gerald or Donna Shippen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2001 20:27:35 -0600
> To: Multiple recipients of VACList <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: [VAC] Re: refrig
>
> Gerald, seems entirey safe that way (no fire) but can't imagine how you keep
> anything cold unless you use only ice? Which I have done, however, I got
> tired of the ice melting and running out on the carpet. Last June in Arizona
> I found that if I lit the frig. every time we stopped I could keep it all
> cold, even at 100 degrees. I really must wire the suburban into the trailer
> for charging purposes. Alas, now I'm off working on the Globe Trotter. And
> my wife just shakes her head in disbelief! Cheers. GAS
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Message Number: 12
Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2001 21:54:40 -0500
From: "Dr. Gerald N. Johnson, electrical engineer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: polisher to rent and vulkem 636
When making a fillet of vulkem 3/32 or 1/16" in cross section, one tube
goes a long ways. I hit every seam head high and up on my Caravel with
half a tube. I'm sure I can do the rest with the same tube. When its
only $3.97 a tube, one or two isn't a big problem, I had to buy three
before I found the first two in the piles around here.
Gerald
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Message Number: 13
Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2001 21:54:44 -0500
From: "Dr. Gerald N. Johnson, electrical engineer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: refrig
The last trip that I needed to keep food cold, I used a foam cooler with
ice in the back of the truck. Ice there lasted longer than in the
refrigerator, though encasing the initial ice in recycled plastic milk
and water jugs cuts down on the melting and running out on the carpet.
With liberal use of canned and dry products (such as hot chocolate mix
for drinking) I've gone several days without the need for much ice.
Lighting a refrigerator at every stop can get to be a pain. Running on
12 volts while on the road doesn't often work out to be practical
either, though with the modern refrigerator it is possible.
If and when I spend a lot of time on the road instead of visiting
relations, I will probably have to do something about a better
refrigerator. I'm suspicious that the modern 12 volt compressor operated
refrigerator will take about half the electrical energy of an absorption
cycle refrigerator with the same quality of insulation, but that the
insulation quality should be much better these days to make that battery
operated refrigerator quite practical.
Gerald J.
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Message Number: 14
Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2001 21:58:16 -0600
From: "C. Petrich" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Parting out 67 Caravel
Charlie,
I'ld like to offer the following amounts for the following parts from the
'67 Caravel:
1. Gas light $28
2. Wall mounted reading light $28
3. Gas/electric fridge $51
4. Refer Shroud $28
In advance, thank for considering these offers.
Christian Petrich
----- Original Message -----
From: "Charlie/Betty Burke" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Multiple recipients of VACList" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2001 7:36 PM
Subject: [VAC] Parting out 67 Caravel
> Ok Folks,
>
> After much delay we finally have clearance to part out pieces from a
> very nice 1967 Caravel. I have placed the details in the Vintage Club
> classifieds
> at http://www.airstream.net/classifieds/classifieds.phtml?cat=Parts
> My intent is/has been to provide an opportunity to a limited group of
> Airstreamers. I hope that the method used does not offend anyone. I am
> trying to be a equitable as possible.
>
> Charlie
>
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Message Number: 15
Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2001 22:00:29 -0600
From: "C. Petrich" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Parting out 67 Caravel
Whoops! Sorry folks, didn't mean to send the last message to the entire
list.
Christian
----- Original Message -----
From: "Charlie/Betty Burke" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Multiple recipients of VACList" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2001 7:36 PM
Subject: [VAC] Parting out 67 Caravel
> Ok Folks,
>
> After much delay we finally have clearance to part out pieces from a
> very nice 1967 Caravel. I have placed the details in the Vintage Club
> classifieds
> at http://www.airstream.net/classifieds/classifieds.phtml?cat=Parts
> My intent is/has been to provide an opportunity to a limited group of
> Airstreamers. I hope that the method used does not offend anyone. I am
> trying to be a equitable as possible.
>
> Charlie
>
>
>
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Message Number: 16
Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2001 21:47:02 -0700
From: "Brad Norgaard" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Dometic M52
Hi Gary,
What's the inner door look like? I have two complete units, one works but
both of them have bad inner doors. What part of the country are you in?
Thanks.
Brad Norgaard
Phoenix
WBCCI #2699, VAC
on 9/15/01 5:18 PM, Gary Quamen at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Hi all:
>
> My original equipment Dometic M52 refrigerator is kaput. I successfully
> replaced it with a Dometic RM2510.2.
>
> Do not try this at home, kids...
>
> Now I'm staring at the M52, deciding what I should do with it. I can make
> arrangements for Waste Management to take it away in it's entirety. But
> being the pack rat that I am, I feel that I should at least strip all the
> removeable parts off of it.
>
> Anybody need anything off of this thing? Free, of course. Reimburse the
> shipping. The only thing I intend to keep is the front panel insert.
> However, the new one has a great looking wood panel so I don't really know
> why I need to even keep that.
>
> 1. Yes, I burped it.
>
> 2. No, it didn't run on either gas or elec (both produced heat).
>
> 3. Yes the flue baffle was in place.
>
> 4. Yes, it made pronounced gurgling sounds (very bad sign according to RV
> Mobile).
>
> Lemme know.
>
> Later,
>
> GQ '67 Safari
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Message Number: 17
Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2001 11:54:50 -0400
From: Matt Worner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Inspiring Site
I don't usually shotgun e-mail like this, but this seems worthy of mass
distribution.
Think you should check out this site:
http://www.geocities.com/good_bad_n_furry/tragedy.html
Thanks for your understanding.
Matt
--
Pam, Matt and Darrell Worner
WBCCI, VAC, WNJU & WDCU #4971
1975 31' Sovereign, 2000 F-350 PSD, Hensley Arrow
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Message Number: 18
Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2002 07:19:43 -0400
From: johansen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: polisher to rent and vulkem 636
Cindy
It took me at least 40-50 hours to polish mine when I first did it. Now
once per year I spend a good three day weekend touching it up (basically
repolishing with AP300). I went through a couple of tube of Vulkem because
I used one which dried up then went back later and used the other. Good to
keep that stuff around because every once in a while you find another place
you missed.
When you are finished polishing you will have sore muscles, but not too bad
- let the polisher do the work. One thing you need to be careful of is the
polisher is powerful and will throw you off the ladder if your not careful.
All in all a doable project....
Ken Johansen
59 Traveler
At 07:39 PM 9/15/2001 -0700, you wrote:
>Hi All,
>Perhaps my enthusiasm is not matched with information!
>How long do you think it would take to polish a 59 Traveler?
>How much Vulkem should I buy to reseal the seams?
>How many yard of diaper material do I need?
>
>How often does a person use their polisher? I guessed it would sit around
>unused for weeks between touch-up polishes, so I thought someone might rent
>their to offset their initial purchase price. Perhaps that's unrealistic of
>me.
>
>I do have help...but enthusiasm will wane if the rains start before the
>polishing begins.
>
>Please advise.
>Cindy
>
>
>
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Message Number: 19
Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2001 07:26:08 -0400
From: "Jim Greene" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Dometic M52
Gary Quamen wrote:
My original equipment Dometic M52 refrigerator is kaput. I successfully
replaced it with a Dometic RM2510.2. Do not try this at home, kids...
I disagree, Gary ...
I replaced the original Dometic refrigerator in my ' 68 Tradewind with the
Dometic RM 2510-2. It is not an exact replacement but it's pretty darn close
and was not a difficult job in my case. The only difficulty I had was in
rerouting the gas line. On the old fridge, the gas line connected toward the
front of the fridge. On the Dometic 2510-2, the gas line connected at the
back of the unit. I installed a gas cut off valve to the fridge while I was
at it.
I would not pay a RV store to install a new refrigerator but some may be
more comfortable doing so.
I too have the old refrigerator available for any usable parts.
Jim Greene
'68 Tradewind
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Message Number: 20
Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2001 08:46:01 -0400
From: "Howard Lefkowitz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: refrig
The battery operated Dometic uses about 25 amps at 12 volts in my three-way
fridge. You cannot supply this level of current from the tow vehicle when
towing a trailer. The alternator does not put out sufficient current or
voltage and the length of wire lines needed would require something on the
order of battery size cables. Even in my 1990 Motor Home I find the
batteries in need of a good charge after several hours of driving when using
the 12 volt mode. At one time I used to run the generator about an hour,
while traveling, to charge the batteries and operate the fridge. Several
years ago I decided that this was not a very good solution and started to
use the gas mode while traveling. When entering a no gas tunnel etc. I
simply stop and turn off the gas. I have found that all of the no gas areas
are well marked with signs. During a ferry ride on the Newfoundland Caravan
the gas had to be turned off during the entire ride. As long as the fridge
is not opened it would probably keep everything frozen for 12 or 15 hours
with no problems. My next box will be a two-way 110VAC/propane.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dr. Gerald N. Johnson, electrical engineer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Multiple recipients of VACList" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Saturday, September 15, 2001 10:54 PM
Subject: [VAC] Re: refrig
> The last trip that I needed to keep food cold, I used a foam cooler with
> ice in the back of the truck. Ice there lasted longer than in the
> refrigerator, though encasing the initial ice in recycled plastic milk
> and water jugs cuts down on the melting and running out on the carpet.
> With liberal use of canned and dry products (such as hot chocolate mix
> for drinking) I've gone several days without the need for much ice.
>
> Lighting a refrigerator at every stop can get to be a pain. Running on
> 12 volts while on the road doesn't often work out to be practical
> either, though with the modern refrigerator it is possible.
>
> If and when I spend a lot of time on the road instead of visiting
> relations, I will probably have to do something about a better
> refrigerator. I'm suspicious that the modern 12 volt compressor operated
> refrigerator will take about half the electrical energy of an absorption
> cycle refrigerator with the same quality of insulation, but that the
> insulation quality should be much better these days to make that battery
> operated refrigerator quite practical.
>
> Gerald J.
>
>
>
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Message Number: 21
Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2001 09:32:46 -0400
From: "Chris Elliot" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Parting out 67 Caravel
thanks Christian ,I guess I should raise my bids a little ...!!! Just
kidding ;>) ( let us know what the high bids were Charlie , I`m
curious )
Chris 67 caravel
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Subject: [VAC] Re: Parting out 67 Caravel
> Whoops! Sorry folks, didn't mean to send the last message to the entire
> list.
>
> Christian
>
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> From: "Charlie/Betty Burke" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: [VAC] Parting out 67 Caravel
>
>
> > Ok Folks,
> >
> > After much delay we finally have clearance to part out pieces from a
> > very nice 1967 Caravel. I have placed the details in the Vintage Club
> > classifieds
>
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Message Number: 22
Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2001 09:58:19 -0500
From: "Dr. Gerald N. Johnson, electrical engineer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: refrig
The smallest of AC operated refrigerators run their compressor on about
1 amp at 120 volts. That ought to translate to 10 amps at 12 volts, more
practical than 25 amps. That makes me believe more that compressor based
refrigeration may be more practical these days for 12 volt operation.
The rub is to find it without having to build it and still have it fit
under the counter and drawer in my Caravel.
Gerald J.
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Message Number: 23
Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2001 12:45:23 -0400
From: Jim Dunmyer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: refrig
Gerald,
Sunfrost makes refrigerators and freezers with 12VDC compressors.
Norcold *may* make them also, but I'm not sure. I also don't know what
sizes are available. However:
These units use about 5 amps at 12VDC, and run about half the time. That
means about 60 AH/day. If you can install 4 golf cart batteries, you
could operate w/o external power for at least 3 or 4 days and not
over-discharge your battery bank. A small genset, coupled with an
Inteli-Power converter/charger would recharge that bank in a few hours,
so you could go another few days.
You'd need a big trailer, with a lot of roof, to supply that power from
solar panels. It would require approximately 300 watts of panels just
for the power for the fridge; that translates into 4, 75-watt panels of
21" X 48" in size. It is doable, just not real easy.
If you never boondock, a small 115VAC fridge might well be a good
alternative, many folks have done just that. They're cheap, and like
other compressor-type fridges, aren't fussy about being level.
Web sites are at http://www.sunfrost.com and http://www.norcold.com
<<Jim>>
"Dr. Gerald N. Johnson, electrical engineer" wrote:
>
> The smallest of AC operated refrigerators run their compressor on about
> 1 amp at 120 volts. That ought to translate to 10 amps at 12 volts, more
> practical than 25 amps. That makes me believe more that compressor based
> refrigeration may be more practical these days for 12 volt operation.
> The rub is to find it without having to build it and still have it fit
> under the counter and drawer in my Caravel.
>
> Gerald J.
>
>
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Message Number: 24
Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2001 11:55:18 -0500
From: "Dr. Gerald N. Johnson, electrical engineer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: refrig
I went to the sunfrost web page this morning, linked from
www.homepower.com. I think it was www.sunfrost.com. The 19 cu ft
refrigerator takes 63 ah per day at 90°F ambient. They claim. The 4
cubic foot takes 13 as refrigerator alone, 16 with ice cube tray. It
won't begin to fit my Caravel, its 32" wide and 35" high, 27" deep.
There's LOTS of insulation there. My several year old Sunelco catalog
showed the components available separately, or the compressor, and
plumbing all assembled for installation in a custom cabinet. I've no
current Sunelco catalog, though there was a link from Home Power
Magazine's site. Used to be there was a 12 volt compressor or two in the
W.W. Grainger catalog too, but I don't find it in my most recent one
dating from 1996. A great deal of the efficiency of the Sunfrost comes
from lots of insulation. Consumer's Reports tests which included a
strict schedule of door opening to simulate normal use was not as
optimistic about energy savings as Sunfrost. That test was several years
ago. Sunfrost didn't appreciate the result.
If one could supplement the gas units with a second cooling coil and a
12 volt compressor, one might gain the best of both worlds. Propane use
for boondocking, and electric use for traveling and when on AC power. I
think the relative energy inefficiency of the absorption process
precludes running it on 12 volts for any extended period whether while
traveling or from batteries and solar panels. In the meantime, my picnic
cooler and some bagged ice will have to do. I'm sure that modern foamed
insulation will be far more effective than the original relatively thin
fiberglass insulation also.
Gerald J.
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Message Number: 25
Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2001 14:34:01 -0400
From: Jim Dunmyer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: refrig
Gerald,
Good points, all. RV fridges (all made by Dometic) are pathetic in
their efficiency. Of course, it doesn't matter when you're running on
shore power unless YOU happen to be paying the bill. Even then, I'd bet
that it really isn't all that bad in the greater scheme of things.
A cooler and bag of ice works well for short-term travelling, but I sure
wouldn't want to depend on that for my needs if sitting in one spot for
more than a couple of days. When on the road, it's easy to pick up a bag
of ice while fueling, but it can be a real PITA when you're sitting in
one place for a while. Plus, ice itself can get expensive if you need it
on a regular basis.
Sunfrost has a Model RF12 that looks to be usable in an RV, at least
from the picture at http://www.sunfrost.com/models.htm. It probably
won't just slip into the place where you removed your Dometic, but might
be able to be made to fit if you're into serious cabinet work and not
trying to make it work in one of the smaller trailers.
<<Jim>>
"Dr. Gerald N. Johnson, electrical engineer" wrote:
>
> I went to the sunfrost web page this morning, linked from
> www.homepower.com. I think it was www.sunfrost.com. The 19 cu ft
> refrigerator takes 63 ah per day at 90°F ambient. They claim. The 4
> cubic foot takes 13 as refrigerator alone, 16 with ice cube tray. It
> won't begin to fit my Caravel, its 32" wide and 35" high, 27" deep.
> There's LOTS of insulation there. My several year old Sunelco catalog
> showed the components available separately, or the compressor, and
> plumbing all assembled for installation in a custom cabinet. I've no
> current Sunelco catalog, though there was a link from Home Power
> Magazine's site. Used to be there was a 12 volt compressor or two in the
> W.W. Grainger catalog too, but I don't find it in my most recent one
> dating from 1996. A great deal of the efficiency of the Sunfrost comes
> from lots of insulation. Consumer's Reports tests which included a
> strict schedule of door opening to simulate normal use was not as
> optimistic about energy savings as Sunfrost. That test was several years
> ago. Sunfrost didn't appreciate the result.
>
> If one could supplement the gas units with a second cooling coil and a
> 12 volt compressor, one might gain the best of both worlds. Propane use
> for boondocking, and electric use for traveling and when on AC power. I
> think the relative energy inefficiency of the absorption process
> precludes running it on 12 volts for any extended period whether while
> traveling or from batteries and solar panels. In the meantime, my picnic
> cooler and some bagged ice will have to do. I'm sure that modern foamed
> insulation will be far more effective than the original relatively thin
> fiberglass insulation also.
>
> Gerald J.
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Message Number: 26
Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2001 11:35:50 -0700
From: "Gary Quamen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Dometic M52
> Gary Quamen wrote:
>
> My original equipment Dometic M52 refrigerator is kaput. I successfully
> replaced it with a Dometic RM2510.2. Do not try this at home, kids...
>
> I disagree, Gary ...
>
> I replaced the original Dometic refrigerator in my ' 68 Tradewind with the
> Dometic RM 2510-2. It is not an exact replacement but it's pretty darn
close
> and was not a difficult job in my case
Well Jim:
My comment was facetious (ie, jocular in an often clumsy or inappropriate
manner).
No "RV store" was recommended, although I agree some might opt for one for
one reason or another.
In MY CASE, removal of the old unit was difficult and time consuming. And
since outer skin of the new box is soft aluminum rather than sheet steel as
the old one was, attachments (rivets) to the box could not be made in the
same manner as before, thereby complicating the installation.
Fortunately, the gas line was not a problem.
But please note, the intent of my message was simply to offer some
refrigerator parts..
GQ '67 Safari
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Message Number: 27
Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2001 11:50:24 -0700
From: Jack Honeycutt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Internet access in the Airstream
I'm spoiled.
I have DSL here at home; 640K down and 256K up. Videoconference, news
clips, audio and fast fast down loads....
I have read some stories in Trailer Life Magazine and other places about
internet access while on the road. Mostly it is laptops and a 56K modem.
Then you hope the place you are staying will let you plug in, to up load
and down load your email. Or cell phone access via a special modem for
slower speeds.
While at the RV show here in Portland Oregon this weekend, I came across a
vendor who was selling satellite internet access for $75 a month ($600.00
up front for the install and equipment) The kid at the booth did not seem
to know a lot about it, but he did say he thought it was 100K up, 400K
down, but no guarantee of speeds (sometimes faster, sometimes slower).
I called the local company selling the service. The owner told me that
using the Internet via this service on a RV was just not up to speed
yet. He told me that when ever you travel about 200 miles or so, one needs
to aim the antenna again and it is not easy. He told me he would be happy
to sell it to me, but he would caution against it. The service is sold
though the Dish Network and StarBan. He told me the foot print of the
satellite was fine all over the entire US, but set up at each stop was a
big issue.
True?
Anyone know of stable Internet access while in the middle of no where?
jack in Portland Oregon
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Message Number: 28
Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2001 12:50:32 -0500
From: "Dr. Gerald N. Johnson, electrical engineer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: LED lighting fixtures.
http://www.cetsolar.com/superdclighting.htm
The prices may not economically feasible unless they save both on solar
panels and batteries needed.
Gerald J.
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Message Number: 29
Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2001 12:50:39 -0500
From: "Dr. Gerald N. Johnson, electrical engineer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: refrig
Sunfrost claims the common domestic refrigerator takes 25% of the
residential energy. I'm not convinced that is true. I ran an old Philco
refrigerator summers in my barn (opened less than once a day on the
average) for cold drinks while working there on about 1 KWH a day. About
the same power consumption as the 70 watt sodium vapor outside light.
Here, I believe that pumping water uses most of my energy along with the
fans and dehumidifier in the summer and furnace in the winter.
Yes, when sitting at a spot without power or store selling ice, day 3 or
4 begins to be soggy and warm. Then is when the camper switches from
cold soda, milk, (and beer) to dry products like hot chocolate mixes,
dried soups, dried meals, and canned goods. Emulating the back packer.
One can camp quite a while with a small pantry and adequate water
without needing refrigeration.
None of the Sunfrost will fit under the counter as in my Caravel. And
there's not much counter space to sacrifice to installing a taller
refrigerator. There's 6 or 8" of foam insulation on all sides of the
Sunfrost, key to their energy efficiency.
While browsing the dealers referenced on the home power magazine page, I
ran onto another brand of RV refrigerator, Danby, but didn't find it
particularly energy efficient. There has to be a real trade off of
insulation space versus weight and efficiency. And that starts with
insulation thickness, or inside volume versus outside volume.
Gerald J.
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Message Number: 30
Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2001 12:52:21 -0700
From: "Sherry" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Internet access in the Airstream
> Anyone know of stable Internet access while in the middle of no where?
>
> jack in Portland Oregon
I am pretty much in the middle of nowhere (Bisbee, Arizona) and have
satellite internet access at home through DirecPC (http://www.direcpc.com).
Aiming the satellite seems much more difficult than regular satellite TV
(though I use the same dish for both). According to my satellite guy, there
are some FCC regulations about setting up the satellite for internet access,
too. This will probably change, but currently I don't think satellite access
is feasible in the trailer.
Happy Trails - Sherry
'63 Bambi, WBCCI 1104, VAC, WDCU, TCT
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Message Number: 31
Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2001 13:04:03 -0700
From: "Sherry" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Internet access in the Airstream
I just remembered what the FCC thing is about - because the two-way
satellite is a sending device, it's regulated by the FCC. That's the reason
you can't (currently) aim it yourself.
Sherry
> According to my
> satellite guy, there
> are some FCC regulations about setting up the satellite for
> internet access,
> too.
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Message Number: 32
Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2001 16:34:41 -0400
From: "Scott Scheuermann" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: 1959 Overlander Table
By 1960 the wooden legs were replaced by metal ones. The table top also
matched the countertops.
Scott Scheuermann
1960 Overlander
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From: "RJ & Krista" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
http://www.VintageAirstream.com/archives1/57Overlander/%2757Overlander.html
>
> RJ
> VintageAirstream.com
>
> > Carl White wrote:
> > The table is missing from the 1959 Overlander I just purchased. Would
> > like to find one. Does anyone have a pic of one so I will know what I
> > am looking for?
> > Thanks,
> > Carll
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Message Number: 33
Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2001 17:02:03 -0600
From: Gerald or Donna Shippen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: polisher to rent and vulkem 636
Hi Cindy, I am working on an inexpensive polisher, designed for intermitant
use. If you are interested let me know off list. You will need access to
an air compressor thought. Gerald Shippen
At 07:39 PM 9/15/01 -0700, you wrote:
>Hi All,
>Perhaps my enthusiasm is not matched with information!
>How long do you think it would take to polish a 59 Traveler?
>How much Vulkem should I buy to reseal the seams?
>How many yard of diaper material do I need?
>
>How often does a person use their polisher? I guessed it would sit around
>unused for weeks between touch-up polishes, so I thought someone might rent
>their to offset their initial purchase price. Perhaps that's unrealistic of
>me.
>
>I do have help...but enthusiasm will wane if the rains start before the
>polishing begins.
>
>Please advise.
>Cindy
>
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Message Number: 34
Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2001 17:10:58 -0600
From: Gerald or Donna Shippen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: refrig
Many thanks for the discussion. I'm growing very leary of tunnels and now
Boston is putting much of the main highways under the city! GAS
At 09:50 PM 9/15/01 -0600, you wrote:
>Most supermarkets sell dry ice. About a pound or so in the freezer should
>get you through a day of driving with the fridge turned off, if it's already
>cooled down, or will give the fridge a jump start if you forgot to turn it
>on the night before leaving on a trip. (A pound takes up very little space
>by the way).
>
>I usually drive with the fridge running on gas. As Gerald has mentioned
>more than once, this is illegal in some states, and in certain tunnels.
>This kind of information is in road atlases and camping guides like
>Woodall's.
>
>Don
>'63 Avion T-20 20-ft
>
>
>> From: Gerald or Donna Shippen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2001 20:27:35 -0600
>> To: Multiple recipients of VACList <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> Subject: [VAC] Re: refrig
>>
>> Gerald, seems entirey safe that way (no fire) but can't imagine how you keep
>> anything cold unless you use only ice? Which I have done, however, I got
>> tired of the ice melting and running out on the carpet. Last June in Arizona
>> I found that if I lit the frig. every time we stopped I could keep it all
>> cold, even at 100 degrees. I really must wire the suburban into the trailer
>> for charging purposes. Alas, now I'm off working on the Globe Trotter. And
>> my wife just shakes her head in disbelief! Cheers. GAS
>
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