VACList-Digest Sunday, September 23, 2001 Issue 71
Today's Topics:
1. Fred Coldwell
2. Re: caulk - leaks
3. Re: Mystery Wires
4. Re: Rv Parks
5. Re: generators
6. Re: Fred Coldwell/1950 Cruiser
7. Re: 1950 Airstream
8. Re:
9. Re: caulk - leaks
10. Hydraulic Brake Conversion
11. Re: Electric Trailer Brakes
12. Re: Electric Trailer Brakes
13. Rivet shaver
14. Re: Rivet shaver
15. Re: Rivet shaver
16. 1962 21' Airstream in want ads
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Message Number: 1
Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2001 16:57:39 -0700
From: Chuck & Elaine Kemming <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Fred Coldwell
Thanks for the information. The serial number is 6052. Both ends are
the same, slightly rounded with windows that are about 24 inches long,
very short, two high and open with levers. That is all I have of your
questions for now. We will go see the trailer next week, it is located
up in the mountains for now. Thanks again. Elaine and Chuck
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Message Number: 2
Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2001 17:52:15 -0500
From: "Dr. Gerald N. Johnson, electrical engineer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: caulk - leaks
I've found Vulkem in home centers like Home Depot and Lowes. Sometimes
its not with the rest of the caulks but featured (its twice the price of
any other tube of caulk in the place) at the paint counter or the
contractor checkout. More often than not the kids working there don't
know its there so you have to do a thorough search. One time at Lowes I
found it behind the key machine. Its about $3.95 a tube at the home
centers, often more like $5 at the Airstream stores. It comes in many
colors. Aluminum is a decent match to the skin of my Caravel.
Gerald J.
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Message Number: 3
Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2001 17:52:19 -0500
From: "Dr. Gerald N. Johnson, electrical engineer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Mystery Wires
The mystery wires are probably speaker wires. Not long ago, someone
posted on their web page, a copy of a 60's vintage drawing from
Airstream that covered some of the wiring and it specifically mentioned
speaker wires and said where each was run in case someone wanted to fish
them out to add extension speakers in the future. I forget where that
was, but I downloaded copies (of the three graphics) to my computer for
ready reference even though I recall it wasn't for '68 Airstreams. I
just checked, its for '69 Airstreams. Might be close to our 68s. I
remember having trouble with one of them because the URL said .gif and
the graphic was .jpg or the other way around. There are three pages, one
is .gif and the other two are .jpg. Jim would you like me to send them
directly to you?
Gerald J.
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Message Number: 4
Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2001 17:52:29 -0500
From: "Dr. Gerald N. Johnson, electrical engineer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Rv Parks
Could one claim that discrimination of perceived age of an RV is a
violation of one's civil rights according to the federal laws that
prohibit discrimination in housing, employment, and public places on the
basis of age, sex, religion and apparent wealth? Isn't a camp ground a
place of public accommodation just like a hotel?
Gerald J.
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Message Number: 5
Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2001 17:13:35 -0500
From: jim clark <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: generators
At 02:30 PM 09/17/2001 -0700, you wrote:
>I know I should have saved all the posts on generators BUT wasn't smart since
>now am thinking of buying a Hondo 3000 to use to run my a/c in the A/S while
>down on the Colorado river next month. I been down there many times nd
>sometimes it is hot and sometimes just nice and when it is hot the only
>motel is
>booked solid so I can't escape. Have any of you used one to run your a/c?
>Since I have not run the a/c for nearly a year am having an excellent RV
>service
>remove the shroud and clean and service it before the trip so it should
>work on
>the gnerator! When I looked at one the plug was not one I could plug the
>trailer plug into so would need an adapter or is there a heavy duty cord
>available that I could plug the trailer cord into? I need all your
>wisdom! Pearl
>
>
>Pearl:
I have a 3kw Honda ( super quiet model) that I had problems running the
Penguin in the 23ft. I found that if I turn off the electronic idle
switch, it will operate the AC in the 31' that we just bought.. If you
have any problems with getting the AC running with the generator, give the
small switch on the outlet panel a try... you will notice that the idle
picks up a bit and apparently that was enough in my case....
>
Jim Clark
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Message Number: 6
Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2001 17:11:21 -0700
From: RJ & Krista <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Fred Coldwell/1950 Cruiser
Well Fred, Chuck & Elaine,
That makes it a 1950 24' Cruiser in my book. You agree Fred?
My notes show it sold for $2895 new, weighed 2500-2600 lbs, was the
first wider 7ft 10in wide Airstream, and looks to be the first ladder
frame Airstream. Very rare!
Chuck & Elaine, I hope you guys can get a series of interior & exterior
photo's that can be put into the VintageAirstream.com Photo Archives for
all to see.
Later,
RJ
VintageAirstream.com
Chuck & Elaine Kemming wrote:
> Thanks for the information. The serial number is 6052. Both ends are
> the same, slightly rounded with windows that are about 24 inches long,
> very short, two high and open with levers. That is all I have of your
> questions for now. We will go see the trailer next week, it is located
> up in the mountains for now. Thanks again. Elaine and Chuck
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Message Number: 7
Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2001 22:49:10 -0600
From: Gerald or Donna Shippen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: 1950 Airstream
We just bought a 1950 airstream...
Congratulations, and may the pioneer spirit be with you as you go! GAS
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Message Number: 8
Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2001 01:38:27 -0400
From: Daniel F Cleary <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re:
In response to:
Message Number: 3
Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2001 20:45:19 -0500
From: "Dr. Gerald N. Johnson, electrical engineer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: caulk - leaks
You mentioned that you overlooked the opportunity to clean up prior to
curing of the caulk, infering that the finished product could have been .
. . . perhaps . . . a bit better looking. The remedy is . . . rip it out or
live with it.
HOWEVER, for the future, after properly applying the caulk (you can write
me off-list if this aspect is unclear. Basically, preparation is where
you get results) ANYWAY, to remove excess and especially to put a really
slick finish on the job, run over the application with a cube of ice.
This smoothes out the variations resulting from movement and pressure
during application. If you get a tiny bit of the stuff on your hands;
stop and clean up.
Dan
76 Argosy MH
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Message Number: 9
Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2001 23:19:33 -0700
From: "Tim Shephard" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: caulk - leaks
I just used Alcoa Gutter Seal on the top of all my windows, lights, and rear
tail lights.
Next I plan on doing the trim that runs around the trailer. I have not
tried to do any seams yet.
-Tim
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From: "Dan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Multiple recipients of VACList" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Friday, September 21, 2001 6:42 PM
Subject: [VAC] Re: caulk - leaks
> Doc,
> Any tips on how to run a bead that small ?
>
> Dan
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Message Number: 10
Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2001 07:07:14 -0700
From: Jack Honeycutt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Hydraulic Brake Conversion
At 01:21 PM 9/22/2001 -0700, you wrote:
>So, the Flying Cloud now has the original axle and new Dexter electric
>brakes.
About when did electric breaks become standard on Airstream trailers?
jack
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Message Number: 11
Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2001 08:51:01 -0600
From: "Fred Coldwell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Electric Trailer Brakes
Jack Honeycutt wrote:
>
> At 01:21 PM 9/22/2001 -0700, you wrote:
>
> >So, the Flying Cloud now has the original axle and new Dexter electric
> >brakes.
>
> About when did electric breaks become standard on Airstream trailers?
>
> jack
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Jack:
Electric trailer brakes were commonly available and often
used in the 1930's on factory made trailers as well as many
home made jobs. I have no information on pre-war Airstream
trailers, . I would not be surprised if they were standard
equipment on the prewar aluminum Clippers., but can't say
for sure.
Electric brakes were probably nearly "standard" on most
every post WW II Airstream trailer, with at least two known
exceptions. The 1951-53 15' Cruisette did not have electric
brakes as standard equipment because of its extremely light
weight, but they could be ordered an extra equipment. And I
imagine, but have not confirmed, that hydraulic brakes were
optional to electric brakes on the larger post-war trailers.
Fred Coldwell
Denver, CO.
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Message Number: 12
Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2001 11:28:01 -0400
From: "David W. Lowrey" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Electric Trailer Brakes
At 08:51 AM 9/23/01 -0600, Fred Coldwell wrote:
>And I
>imagine, but have not confirmed, that hydraulic brakes were
>optional to electric brakes on the larger post-war trailers.
>
>Fred Coldwell
>Denver, CO.
The owner's manual for my '77 Airstream has hydraulic breaks as an option.
Dave
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Dave Lowrey - [EMAIL PROTECTED]
WBCCI: 5074
1977 31' Sovereign International (center bath)
Cincinnati, Ohio
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Message Number: 13
Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2001 12:48:04 -0700
From: Bill Worden <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Rivet shaver
I have come upon a way to save a bit of money on the Olympic rivet shaver.
The system is not unique to Gesipa, the parent company. What is special is
their cutter head. The shaver tool body can be picked up as aviation
surplus very cheaply (I got mine for $8.00) Buying the the replacement
shaver (cutting tool bit) will drop the price way down. Just install it in
the body and you're set to go. An additional advantage is that the same
body can be used to drill out old rivets by using an appropriate aircraft
drill bit. This eliminates centering problems and speeds up the work.
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Message Number: 14
Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2001 13:00:58 -0700 (PDT)
From: Toby Folwick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Rivet shaver
bill - more details, links to anything? I've got a
shaver with microstop, and I assume that the body you
are referring to is the same as the microstop?
the cutter head i have was made for larger rivets - if
i could just change this, i'd be on my way.
Toby
--- Bill Worden <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> I have come upon a way to save a bit of money on the
> Olympic rivet shaver.
> The system is not unique to Gesipa, the parent
> company. What is special is
> their cutter head. The shaver tool body can be
> picked up as aviation
> surplus very cheaply (I got mine for $8.00) Buying
> the the replacement
> shaver (cutting tool bit) will drop the price way
> down. Just install it in
> the body and you're set to go. An additional
> advantage is that the same
> body can be used to drill out old rivets by using an
> appropriate aircraft
> drill bit. This eliminates centering problems and
> speeds up the work.
>
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Message Number: 15
Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2001 15:14:53 -0500
From: "Jeff Griffin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Rivet shaver
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<P>Yes...Bill...please more details.</P>
<P>Thanks in advance</P>
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<DIV></DIV>>Subject: [VAC] Re: Rivet shaver
<DIV></DIV>>Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2001 13:00:58 -0700 (PDT)
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<DIV></DIV>>bill - more details, links to anything? I've got a
<DIV></DIV>>shaver with microstop, and I assume that the body you
<DIV></DIV>>are referring to is the same as the microstop?
<DIV></DIV>>
<DIV></DIV>>the cutter head i have was made for larger rivets - if
<DIV></DIV>>i could just change this, i'd be on my way.
<DIV></DIV>>
<DIV></DIV>>Toby
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<DIV></DIV>>--- Bill Worden <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:
<DIV></DIV>> >
<DIV></DIV>> > I have come upon a way to save a bit of money on the
<DIV></DIV>> > Olympic rivet shaver.
<DIV></DIV>> > The system is not unique to Gesipa, the parent
<DIV></DIV>> > company. What is special is
<DIV></DIV>> > their cutter head. The shaver tool body can be
<DIV></DIV>> > picked up as aviation
<DIV></DIV>> > surplus very cheaply (I got mine for $8.00) Buying
<DIV></DIV>> > the the replacement
<DIV></DIV>> > shaver (cutting tool bit) will drop the price way
<DIV></DIV>> > down. Just install it in
<DIV></DIV>> > the body and you're set to go. An additional
<DIV></DIV>> > advantage is that the same
<DIV></DIV>> > body can be used to drill out old rivets by using an
<DIV></DIV>> > appropriate aircraft
<DIV></DIV>> > drill bit. This eliminates centering problems and
<DIV></DIV>> > speeds up the work.
<DIV></DIV>> >
<DIV></DIV>> >
<DIV></DIV>> >
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Message Number: 16
Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2001 13:58:18 -0700
From: "Roger Hightower" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: 1962 21' Airstream in want ads
Have you seen this ad in the VAC Classifieds?
"For Sale: For Sale 1962 Airstream'21
Beautiful original, very shiny condition. Stove never used. A/C on roof. Two
facing sofas with table that has additions stored in closet. Sofa also
across from kitchen. Original ironing board also stored in closet. $5,000"
Since that's only a few miles from me, I took a look at it today.
It's a 1962 Safari, Ser. No. 21TS S0859. Built in Santa Fe Springs, CA.
Has one of the WBCCI Around the World emblems on the skin near the entry
door.
Outside: Skin in pretty good shape, has been polished, but there are some
odd bolts stuck in odd places. Not factory stuff for sure. Spare tire
carrier on the rear, battery box in front, no broken glass, has an equalizer
hitch with sway control. Left tire is nearly flat, but they should both be
replaced. The trailer hasn't been moved in a "few years".
Inside: A mess. Heavy coating of dust everywhere. All woodwork has to be
refinished, as the original finish is completely gone. Original
refrigerator is missing, and there is an AC only unit just stuck in the
opening. Needs upholstery on all pads. Floor covering appears to be some
sort of industrial carpeting, and under that is what I think was the
original lino or vinyl tile. Floor seems to be sound. I didn't see any
evidence of leaks (cursory look only). Rear bath in fair condition, but
shower curtain has to be replaced.
No hookups or battery, so I couldn't check to see what worked and didn't
work. The owner is out of state (Louisiana?) and the person with the keys
had no idea what worked.
IMHO $5,000 is way too high. If I were going to get serious about it, I'd
maybe offer $2K, considering all that has to be done, and the unknowns.
I'll pass.
Still looking for a '60's Caravel or Globetrotter....I know there's one out
there that won't wipe out my retirement fund.
Roger
Roger Hightower
WBCCI 4165, VAC, TCT
1975 31' Sovereign
Mesa, AZ
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