Ed stated: "The discussion now must be how do we respond to the loss of land presently occupied by millions of people and important infrastructure."
There is NO emergency. Sell the house or start moving important infrastructure to higher ground. *IF* the oceans do rise significantly, it won't happen overnight. it will take years and more likely, decades. For important infrastructure, planning needs to be done to determine how much time would be needed to relocate to higher ground. For homeowners, pack up your stuff and MOVE! It is that simple for them. If you're smart, sell the place now while beachfront property is valuable. when your house is underwater it won't be worth much! And if all this does happen, it wouldn't surprise me if those homeowners think they are entitled to govt aid when they were too stupid to just move. -Mark From: Edmund Storms [mailto:stor...@ix.netcom.com] Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2013 12:22 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Cc: Edmund Storms Subject: Re: [Vo]:NHK: ocean levels may rise 9 m by 2100 Dave, I hate to get involved in another debate war, but the climate change issue is too important to ignore. The ice is melting world-wide and the average temperature is increasing. The glaciers are melting and the Arctic regon is losing ice. This fact is acknowledged by all sides in the debate. The question is only about the cause. Is the cause part of the natural cycle or is it caused by man? Either way, the ocean is and will continue to rise and people had better plan to move if they are in the affected areas. I believe, like many other people, that if the main caused is CO2 production, we are too late to stop the process or even to slow it down. Therefore, the discussion about CO2 is irrelevant. The discussion now must be how do we respond to the loss of land presently occupied by millions of people and important infrastructure. If you want to discuss something important, I suggest you focus on this question. Ed On Jan 30, 2013, at 1:03 PM, David Roberson wrote: I have not claimed to be an expert in climate change and merely have an interest. I also have an interest in the well being of the other people on the earth that we share. You can be assured that I would be very vocal about climate change affecting us if I felt that it was a serious risk to mankind and the remainder of the environment and that now was the only time to react. So far I have only heard strong sounds emitted by the groups seeking immediate action who conveniently leave out information that runs counter to their beliefs. This is unbalanced and dangerous for those that will be left out of progress due to wasted actions. It is obvious that every time a storm hits, or a dry spell occurs, etc. that it becomes blamed upon climate change. This is sheer nonsense and even the climatologists try to distance their predictions to some degree from immediate weather effects. Are you convinced that there are not going to be many positive effects due to future climate variations, whether caused by man or not? Would you have the same beliefs if you were living toward the end of the last ice age? The fear of change is an easy one to acquire, but should not dominate ones thinking. I make an attempt to not panic in this case and have faith that we will find a way to solve any major problems which occur and take advantage of the good things that happen. Have you given the Danish scientist Henrick Svensmark's theory about cosmic rays being a major climate driver equal time? There is remarkable correlation between what he has theorized and the climate of the earlier Earth. Anyone who would strongly jump at the suggestion that the ocean levels will rise 9 meters due to a theory of a couple of guys should be willing to analyze what might be a better explanation. My personal opinion is that now is the time to perform the needed research and figure out what really is happening. The science is not settled as some would like us to believe and the cost of immediate action is much too great unless a truly catastrophic future is looming. I detect a mixed bag of future effects that we have a significant amount of time to optimize. Furthermore, as time progresses our sciences and technology will improve and any mitigation will become that much easier to achieve. All of us need to have a little more faith in future generations. Jed, it makes little difference whether or not you believe me. We each have our opinions that differ. I have given you a name to follow up upon of a scientist that does have hand's on experience that I lack and who is well respected. You can choose not to give consideration to the other side of this discussion, but I know that you would be ahead to open your mind just a tiny bit. Dave -----Original Message----- From: Jed Rothwell <jedrothw...@gmail.com> To: vortex-l <vortex-l@eskimo.com> Sent: Wed, Jan 30, 2013 2:16 pm Subject: Re: [Vo]:NHK: ocean levels may rise 9 m by 2100 David Roberson <dlrober...@aol.com> wrote: So, when will we begin to see these effects to such a degree that it will become obvious? Most experts say the changes are obvious now. And irrefutable. Perhaps you disagree. I tend to believe experts who have done hands-on research, based on my experience with cold fusion. Let me put it this way: If you have published a paper on this subject I will take your views a lot more seriously. - Jed
