Yes and we can see this being implemented in the movie "Water World".
Meanwhile, people have to be encouraged to move to higher ground.
Rather than insure houses in impacted areas to rebuild, why not pay
only if the person moves?
Ed
On Jan 30, 2013, at 2:48 PM, David Roberson wrote:
This response is a thought toward problem solving and not climate
change which I have agreed to avoid without proper provocation.
One way to handle habitation when water is the only area available
is to actually build floating structures or to build habitats that
are underwater. With the advancements in material sciences that are
taking place, I can readily visualize new building structures that
use carbon fibers or perhaps silicon ones that are super strong and
flexible. It is not impossible for a large structure or group of
structures to be constructed that float with the tides.
If future generations figure out ways to commute around by air
instead of roadways, then this will be a natural progression.
Besides, I suspect that most work will be performed at home in the
not so distance future and travel to large city structures will be
minimized.
Dave
-----Original Message-----
From: Edmund Storms <stor...@ix.netcom.com>
To: vortex-l <vortex-l@eskimo.com>
Cc: Edmund Storms <stor...@ix.netcom.com>
Sent: Wed, Jan 30, 2013 4:30 pm
Subject: Re: [Vo]:NHK: ocean levels may rise 9 m by 2100
You don't. You build dikes and pump out the water, aka Holland. But
you start now to put the system in place as is being considered but
not implemented yet.
Ed
On Jan 30, 2013, at 2:11 PM, Axil Axil wrote:
How do you move the New York subway system or the Big Dig in Boston
to higher ground?
Cheers: Axil
On Wed, Jan 30, 2013 at 3:53 PM, MarkI-ZeroPoint <zeropo...@charter.net
> wrote:
Ed stated:
“The discussion now must be how do we respond to the loss of land
presently occupied by millions of people and important
infrastructure.”
There is NO emergency… Sell the house or start moving important
infrastructure to higher ground.
*IF* the oceans do rise significantly, it won’t happen overnight…
it will take years and more likely, decades.
For important infrastructure, planning needs to be done to
determine how much time would be needed to relocate to higher ground.
For homeowners, pack up your stuff and MOVE! It is that simple for
them…
If you’re smart, sell the place now while beachfront property is
valuable… when your house is underwater it won’t be worth much!
And if all this does happen, it wouldn’t surprise me if those
homeowners think they are entitled to govt aid when they were too
stupid to just move.
-Mark
From: Edmund Storms [mailto:stor...@ix.netcom.com]
Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2013 12:22 PM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Cc: Edmund Storms
Subject: Re: [Vo]:NHK: ocean levels may rise 9 m by 2100
Dave, I hate to get involved in another debate war, but the climate
change issue is too important to ignore. The ice is melting world-
wide and the average temperature is increasing. The glaciers are
melting and the Arctic regon is losing ice. This fact is
acknowledged by all sides in the debate. The question is only about
the cause. Is the cause part of the natural cycle or is it caused
by man? Either way, the ocean is and will continue to rise and
people had better plan to move if they are in the affected areas.
I believe, like many other people, that if the main caused is CO2
production, we are too late to stop the process or even to slow it
down. Therefore, the discussion about CO2 is irrelevant. The
discussion now must be how do we respond to the loss of land
presently occupied by millions of people and important
infrastructure. If you want to discuss something important, I
suggest you focus on this question.
Ed
On Jan 30, 2013, at 1:03 PM, David Roberson wrote:
I have not claimed to be an expert in climate change and merely
have an interest. I also have an interest in the well being of
the other people on the earth that we share. You can be assured
that I would be very vocal about climate change affecting us if I
felt that it was a serious risk to mankind and the remainder of the
environment and that now was the only time to react. So far I have
only heard strong sounds emitted by the groups seeking immediate
action who conveniently leave out information that runs counter to
their beliefs. This is unbalanced and dangerous for those that
will be left out of progress due to wasted actions.
It is obvious that every time a storm hits, or a dry spell occurs,
etc. that it becomes blamed upon climate change. This is sheer
nonsense and even the climatologists try to distance their
predictions to some degree from immediate weather effects.
Are you convinced that there are not going to be many positive
effects due to future climate variations, whether caused by man or
not? Would you have the same beliefs if you were living toward the
end of the last ice age? The fear of change is an easy one to
acquire, but should not dominate ones thinking. I make an attempt
to not panic in this case and have faith that we will find a way to
solve any major problems which occur and take advantage of the good
things that happen.
Have you given the Danish scientist Henrick Svensmark's theory
about cosmic rays being a major climate driver equal time? There
is remarkable correlation between what he has theorized and the
climate of the earlier Earth. Anyone who would strongly jump at
the suggestion that the ocean levels will rise 9 meters due to a
theory of a couple of guys should be willing to analyze what might
be a better explanation.
My personal opinion is that now is the time to perform the needed
research and figure out what really is happening. The science is
not settled as some would like us to believe and the cost of
immediate action is much too great unless a truly catastrophic
future is looming. I detect a mixed bag of future effects that we
have a significant amount of time to optimize. Furthermore, as
time progresses our sciences and technology will improve and any
mitigation will become that much easier to achieve. All of us need
to have a little more faith in future generations.
Jed, it makes little difference whether or not you believe me. We
each have our opinions that differ. I have given you a name to
follow up upon of a scientist that does have hand's on experience
that I lack and who is well respected. You can choose not to give
consideration to the other side of this discussion, but I know that
you would be ahead to open your mind just a tiny bit.
Dave
-----Original Message-----
From: Jed Rothwell <jedrothw...@gmail.com>
To: vortex-l <vortex-l@eskimo.com>
Sent: Wed, Jan 30, 2013 2:16 pm
Subject: Re: [Vo]:NHK: ocean levels may rise 9 m by 2100
David Roberson <dlrober...@aol.com> wrote:
So, when will we begin to see these effects to such a degree that
it will become obvious?
Most experts say the changes are obvious now. And irrefutable.
Perhaps you disagree. I tend to believe experts who have done hands-
on research, based on my experience with cold fusion. Let me put it
this way: If you have published a paper on this subject I will take
your views a lot more seriously.
- Jed