Some of the people here have direct and genuine experience of a
transcendent state of consciousness.
Some of us make it mean we know more about who we are.
The real prize is to find out who we are not - then there is freedom
to operate outwith the confines of ego.
The likelihood of anyone here being able to put this into words?
ZIP ;-)
Where in the world are you?
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On 18 Jun 2010, at 21:13, jp EnlightenmentGuy <[email protected]
> wrote:
This always happens:
I ask an extremely succinct, easy-to-understand, fundamental question
and I get one of two responses:
1. So called "regular" people look at me like I am dumb as a bag of
rocks for even asking such a silly question about something so
obvious. "Nobody thinks about this stuff, what is wrong with you? You
need to get out and get LAID already!!!"
2. So called "spiritual" people respond with things that are really
clear like "Sufi dervishes go Hoo Hooo Hoooo". Or equally as helpful,
"So, WHO is asking the question? WHO is it that is confused?
Whoooo..... Whooooooooo......." which they repeat a zillion times,
like I haven't heard that a zillion times before.
Will I ever learn? The more I seek answers from others, the more I
find I am on my own.
Those that aren't "on the path" likely never will be -- trying to ask
them about it, or worse -- trying to get them to join in on it --
leads to inevitable frustration. There is nothing for me there. There
is nothing for me, with 99.9999++% of humanity.
And I suspect almost all people who SEEM to be "on the path", those
who show up at retreats and Satsangs, or worse -- ridiculous
discussion boards like this -- are just tourists, interested in "this
stuff", or think its cool, another fun mental-masturbation exercise,
or this is just another cool spiritual thing they are incorporating
into their plethora of other neato spiritual thingeys they are
sampling. Sure seems that way. Seems to be nothing for me here,
either.
On my own.
Hopefully, finally, DAMMIT, hopefully totally on my own...............
On Jun 17, 1:26 pm, jp EnlightenmentGuy <[email protected]>
wrote:
I have heard many spiritual teachers just dismissively say things
like,
"You can't be anything that changes, right? You are not the body, or
mind, or memories, or personality or whatever."
Really?
I'll bet 99.99%++ of all humans who have ever existed would agree
with
what is written below. Can you say, clearly, why this is not
accurate??
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
Who or what am I? I am a body, with certain attributes and abilities
(physical and mental), born to parents, exposed to things in the
environment, having had experiences I have collected memories, and
developed beliefs and a personality (with all its many sub-
attributes).
If I had been born to different parents (or adopted as an infant), or
born at a different time, or born into a different body, or born in a
different place, or in a different culture/society, then I would in
fact be a different person.
That is what a "person" is -- a unique, ever-changing, body/mind/
personality, that is born, lives for a while, then dies.
That is what I am.
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
How clear can you be in pointing out how, exactly, this is
inaccurate?
Thank you!
