And welcome jpE
On Jun 19, 1:42 pm, Anandanand <[email protected]> wrote: > Rediculous discussion boards? What makes you say that? is it due to > the answers/ responses/ replys you got or you thought so even before > asking the question ? Or is there another reason ? > > On Jun 19, 1:13 am, jp EnlightenmentGuy <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > This always happens: > > > I ask an extremely succinct, easy-to-understand, fundamental question > > and I get one of two responses: > > > 1. So called "regular" people look at me like I am dumb as a bag of > > rocks for even asking such a silly question about something so > > obvious. "Nobody thinks about this stuff, what is wrong with you? You > > need to get out and get LAID already!!!" > > > 2. So called "spiritual" people respond with things that are really > > clear like "Sufi dervishes go Hoo Hooo Hoooo". Or equally as helpful, > > "So, WHO is asking the question? WHO is it that is confused? > > Whoooo..... Whooooooooo......." which they repeat a zillion times, > > like I haven't heard that a zillion times before. > > > Will I ever learn? The more I seek answers from others, the more I > > find I am on my own. > > > Those that aren't "on the path" likely never will be -- trying to ask > > them about it, or worse -- trying to get them to join in on it -- > > leads to inevitable frustration. There is nothing for me there. There > > is nothing for me, with 99.9999++% of humanity. > > > And I suspect almost all people who SEEM to be "on the path", those > > who show up at retreats and Satsangs, or worse -- ridiculous > > discussion boards like this -- are just tourists, interested in "this > > stuff", or think its cool, another fun mental-masturbation exercise, > > or this is just another cool spiritual thing they are incorporating > > into their plethora of other neato spiritual thingeys they are > > sampling. Sure seems that way. Seems to be nothing for me here, > > either. > > > On my own. > > > Hopefully, finally, DAMMIT, hopefully totally on my own............... > > > On Jun 17, 1:26 pm, jp EnlightenmentGuy <[email protected]> > > wrote: > > > > I have heard many spiritual teachers just dismissively say things > > > like, > > > > "You can't be anything that changes, right? You are not the body, or > > > mind, or memories, or personality or whatever." > > > > Really? > > > > I'll bet 99.99%++ of all humans who have ever existed would agree with > > > what is written below. Can you say, clearly, why this is not > > > accurate?? > > > > . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . > > > > Who or what am I? I am a body, with certain attributes and abilities > > > (physical and mental), born to parents, exposed to things in the > > > environment, having had experiences I have collected memories, and > > > developed beliefs and a personality (with all its many sub- > > > attributes). > > > > If I had been born to different parents (or adopted as an infant), or > > > born at a different time, or born into a different body, or born in a > > > different place, or in a different culture/society, then I would in > > > fact be a different person. > > > > That is what a "person" is -- a unique, ever-changing, body/mind/ > > > personality, that is born, lives for a while, then dies. > > > > That is what I am. > > > > . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . > > > > How clear can you be in pointing out how, exactly, this is inaccurate? > > > > Thank you!
