nicely put as I said, there is no such thing as enlightenement because when it is realised there is no-one it could happen to...
:-) On 23 June 2010 00:30, jp EnlightenmentGuy <[email protected]> wrote: > Enlightenment is when what has always been thought of as you, is seen > to NEVER have existed. > > "You" are the child of a barren woman. > - Nisargadatta Maharaj > (Child of a barren woman? There is NO such thing! That is what you are > -- "you" has never existed.) > > "You" are a bird trying to escape from an empty cage. > - Wei Wu Wei > (The cage is empty, "you" are the bird -- it(you) has NEVER existed!) > > I would agree with you ROOMSEARCHING, except that the concept of "you" > does not get destroyed, it is seen to have never existed (that which > never existed can't be destroyed, it never existed!) > > It is seen by, well, seeing itself. > > > David Carse, Perfect Brilliant Stillness, page 138... > > Of course, make no mistake, from the point of view of > the total Understanding this teaching about whether you > are the doer is in fact redundant; the question does not > even arise. With the Understanding comes the natural > and spontaneous apperception that there is no one here, > no individual to either be the doer or not be the doer. So > the question is moot. What you think of as yourself; the > whole package of body, mind, personality, ego, sense of > individuality, personal history; none of that even exists as > such, as anything other than an idea, a story, a concept in > Consciousness. The discussion of whether or not 'you' can > be a doer or not is, as Wei Wu Wei writes, like discussing > whether the bird in the empty cage is captive. The cage is > empty! There is nobody home! > > > > > > On Jun 22, 5:05 am, roomsearching <[email protected]> wrote: >> It does not happen to anyone. >> >> But when it happens, the concept of a particular person having a body-mind >> is destroyed. >> >> On Tue, Jun 22, 2010 at 8:27 AM, Mark Ty-Wharton >> <[email protected]>wrote: >> >> > How can anyone be conceptually enlightened? >> >> > Enlightenment is a meaning we give to an apparent awakening of awareness >> > from nothing. Enlightenment already is a concept. It is not real and it >> > doesn't happen to anyone. >> >> > So how can you have a conceptual concept. >> >> > Even in a book? >> >> > Sent from an iPhone >> >> > On 22 Jun 2010, at 04:35, godszen <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> > You've been ready too many books >> >> >> you're conceptually enlightened >> >> >> On Jun 21, 3:37 am, jp EnlightenmentGuy <[email protected]> >> >> wrote: >> >> >>> On Jun 20, 5:56 pm, Mark Ty-Wharton <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> >>> If you are quoting Wayne Liquorman why are you asking such simplistic >> >>>> questions here? >> >> >>> Seems like this is how it often goes. >> >> >>> Here, there was a lifting of the veil, an opening, clear seeing, >> >>> Enlightenment. For a time. >> >> >>> Then it seemingly went away. >> >> >>> Then... DAMNATION. The pendulum swung all the way the other way. >> >> >>> A well-known process. >> >> >>> This part sometimes called The Dark Night of the Soul -- Saint John of >> >>> the Cross feeling abandoned by God. >> >> >>> Or in the Zen 10 Ox Hearding Pictures, probably 2 and 3 and 4 >> >>> unfolding simultaneously, sometimes seemingly progressing, sometimes >> >>> reverting all the way back to the beginning. >> >> >>> I guess I was hoping somewhere in a group of people actually calling >> >>> itself Advaita Zen there would be some who were familiar with this >> >>> process, perhaps had even been through it, and could guide. >> >>> Spectacularly difficult to find a wise and skillful teacher. >> >> >>> SEIZING THE OX >> >>> You have exhausted all your faculties to take hold of him. >> >>> Because his spirit is strong and his strength abundant, >> >>> it is difficult to rid him of his habits. >> >>> Sometimes he goes to the top of the high plain. >> >>> Other times he resides in clouds and smoke. -- ________________________________________________________ The contents of this email and context of the message contained within are intended for the recipient only. You may not copy, or redistribute the contents of this email without the express, written consent of the author. join the discussion: http://nonpluralism.com schedule me to speak at your event: http://mark.ty-wharton.com get my book now on Amazon UK/US tweet with me @mark_tywharton
