On Tue, Jul 6, 2010 at 10:41 AM, Mark Ty-Wharton <[email protected]>wrote:
> I still don't see that and I was paraphrasing expletives. Your "fuck them" > attitude is interesting for someone who claims to emanate positive energy > and experience bliss. > *Yes I find them boring. I find the whole world boring. That is why I started to do something spiritually. If I had any interest left in the world, I would have not stopped playing my games of pleasure and pain. * > > My experience of pure bliss is that people are amazing. > *Pure bliss is amazing. But people are not always amazing. You have to face aggression, jealousy, possessiveness, greed, passions and all kinds of suffering from being in the company of ignorant people. * > Life is amazing. The most important part of Tai Chi is the tea ceremony. My > Tai Chi companions are mainly octogenarians. They talk about pleasure and > pain, likes and dislikes. I like seeing the variety. Where people are at. I > like you and seeing where you are at. > *Interesting. Tai Chi is good. I like old wise people as long as they > don't bore me with their dull shit. * > * I see you have taken the whole spectrum of eastern philosophy in your > life. One day you talk Advaita and Kundalini. Another day, you talk Zen and > then Tai Chi. You are just dabbling with Eastern philosophy. Stop fooling > around with your life and choose one path. * > > I want you to know I am neither berating you nor putting you down. You are > already perfect. What there is to notice is taking a position over those who > you are better than may be the source of something for you that has tricked > your mind into thinking you have risen to a higher place. > *Nobody can ever berate me. * *But sometimes people can anger me with their obnoxious behaviour. But that anger usually subsides in seconds and has no effect. I am in a higher place - there is no doubt about it. It is the highest place where any human can reach. It is full of love. That does not mean I have to go around drinking tea with old men and suck their dicks. * > > I want you to know I have deliberately attacked you on this forum to get > you to take a position and I apologise. In a sense I am probably doing much > the same as you only with higher stakes. > > The people you are calling boring are the perfect expression of love. When > we see they are expressing love in the best way they can, given their > filters and constraints, then we can look at them and say "hello God, my > beloved guru, would you like another biscuit, tell me about the weather". > *People are boring. They do not get bored with doing the same things over and over again. They never do anything new. They live like sheep. And their interests are not my interests. They are interested in different things. I am not interested in them. **Mindless chatter and boasting about is not love. It is rubbish. These things are of no importance to me. Reality is important. Fuck people. Compassion and unconditional love are in me. But I am not interested in what their minds are cooking up every minute. They are in deep suffering. Fuck them. * > Empatice > > Mark > > Sent from an iPhone > > On 3 Jul 2010, at 12:41, roomsearching <[email protected]> wrote: > > People talking about last night's tv programmes and biscuits and chocolates > is boring. > They are all in their minds. Talking likes and dislikes. Pleasure and pain. > > I am beyond all these and do not participate in such stupidity. > Especially when you get that over and over again for a year. > People are boring. > > > On Sat, Jul 3, 2010 at 12:04 PM, Mark Ty-Wharton <<[email protected]> > [email protected]> wrote: > >> Finding people fucking boring is not an emanation of positive energy mate >> >> Look again, people are utterly fascinating. >> >> What are they saying that you are not listening to (that you can't hear >> because it is drowned out by your inner dialogue about avoiding boring >> people?) >> >> Sent from an iPhone >> >> On 2 Jul 2010, at 16:33, roomsearching < <[email protected]> >> [email protected]> wrote: >> >> * >> *Rodger, we don't really need to do anything. >> The presence of jnanis in the world will automatically uplift the spirit >> of people. >> I have several people in my workplace I don't talk to because I find them >> fucking boring and attention seekers. I hope they learn silence from me some >> day. But the chances are very low. >> Its just that we need to emanate positive energy in the world. >> A few of these people feed on other's positive energy and suck them like >> parasites. >> I found it very hard to deal with these negative types. >> They are like born predators, sucking on people's energies to survive. >> It becomes difficult in these situations because they have their huge >> ego's at stake. >> They decorate their bodies, they improve their language skills, they are >> masters at inane intellectual arguments. Sometimes negative types >> congregate into large flocks and do gossipping and bitching around. >> They want to spread around their frustrations of their unhappy lives. >> This is the unfortunate pattern of the formation of societies. >> This pattern can be only broken by a few. >> Politics is at the root of every social interaction. >> Hence I try not to have friends. >> >> >> >> >> >> On Fri, Jul 2, 2010 at 4:22 PM, Rodger < >> <[email protected]><[email protected]> >> [email protected]> wrote: >> >>> These things are difficulties for you? >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Jul 2, 10:08 am, roomsearching <[email protected]> wrote: >>> > People are paranoid, schizophrenic and jealous. Sounds familiar ??? >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > On Fri, Jul 2, 2010 at 4:06 PM, Rodger <[email protected]> wrote: >>> > > I find it interesting,RS,that it is difficult for you to spread your >>> > > love around.What is the difficulty,if I may ask? >>> > >>> > > On Jul 2, 9:31 am, roomsearching <[email protected]> wrote: >>> > > > *If you see the deepest core of your existence as the same in >>> everybody >>> > > > else, why would you go around killing others ? >>> > > > An enlightened person will value what he is. >>> > > > So he will value everyone else as himself. >>> > > > It is the beginning of true morality. >>> > > > Not for the sake of maintaining order in society or following the >>> laws >>> > > laid >>> > > > down by the government. >>> > > > It is just a natural way of being. >>> > > > Callousness of UG is also a projection. >>> > > > The Self is just peace. >>> > > > You want to be in solitude. >>> > > > To be left alone to yourself. >>> > > > Where is the projection here ? >>> > > > I would really like to go around and spread my love. >>> > > > But it is not an easy task. >>> > > > People have their daily routines and commitments. >>> > > > So there is no need to go around preaching. >>> > > > Just let them fuck themselves and suffer. >>> > > > I am an enlightened person and I have compassion. >>> > > > By compassion, I mean that there is no difference between me and >>> anyone >>> > > else >>> > > > at the level of the Self. * >>> > >>> > > > On Fri, Jul 2, 2010 at 1:03 PM, Marcus < >>> [email protected]> >>> > > wrote: >>> > >>> > > > > . >>> > >>> > > > > Why does an action need to be distinguished as compassionate or >>> > > > > aggressive. Who is the judge ? >>> > >>> > > > > When Hitler murdered all those people he thought he was being >>> > > > > compassionate toward the human gene-pool. >>> > > > > Compassion was it when the Romans throw the Christians to the >>> > > > > lions. >>> > >>> > > > > History has an endless string of real examples of our ability to >>> be >>> > > > > compassionate. >>> > >>> > > > > Compassion and aggression are simple labels within the essential >>> world >>> > > > > of dualistic illusions. This means they no substance within >>> this >>> > > > > illusion of reality. >>> > >>> > > > > Yet if someone chooses, they can also rise above this our >>> illusion >>> > > > > and reconnect with the whole. No enlightenment or awakening. >>> Just a >>> > > > > true purity of being. >>> > >>> > > > > Such people realise. Helping others, giving and loving are just >>> the >>> > > > > best way to share this illusion. >>> > > > > What you judge as compassionate is simply common sense when truth >>> is >>> > > > > realised. >>> > >>> > > > > . >>> > > > > On 2 July, 12:19, roomsearching <[email protected]> wrote: >>> > > > > > UG might say he is callous. >>> > >>> > > > > > But he did send a message to everyone to be free. That itself >>> is >>> > > > > compassion. >>> > >>> > > > > > He may say he is callous. But he welcomed anyone who wanted to >>> talk >>> > > to >>> > > > > him >>> > > > > > to his house. >>> > >>> > > > > > He used to meet thousands of people all over the world. >>> > >>> > > > > > A callous uncompassionate brute will not do such things. >>> > >>> > > > > > On Fri, Jul 2, 2010 at 7:20 AM, Kuber Technologies < >>> > >>> > > > > > [email protected]> wrote: >>> > > > > > > Questioner: Is a person in the natural state compassionate? >>> > >>> > > > > > > U.G. Krishnamurti: That is your projection; they are >>> callous, >>> > > > > indifferent, >>> > > > > > > unconcerned. 'Compassion' is one of the gimmicks of the 'holy >>> > > > > business', >>> > > > > > > sales talk. Do you think this individual is conscious that he >>> is >>> > > full >>> > > > > of >>> > > > > > > compassion? If he is, it is not compassion. >>> > >>> > > > > > > ------------ >>> > >>> > > > > > > UG would not have know compassion even if it reared up and >>> bit his >>> > > > > natural >>> > > > > > > ass. >>> > >>> > > > > > > The typical connotation of the term "compassion" is someone >>> being >>> > > > > > > compassionate( in whatever manner) to someone who needs to >>> be >>> > > > > > > compassionated. >>> > >>> > > > > > > Whether the natural state or the unnatural state(there being >>> > > really no >>> > > > > > > such distinction)... >>> > >>> > > > > > > ..there are no entities involved ......where...... as a >>> nuance of >>> > > > > > > existing.... the flavour is of compassion, empathy, enmity >>> or >>> > > > > > > indifference. >>> > >>> > > > > > > That is to say......it is not that when some esoteric >>> exalted >>> > > state >>> > > > > ofsagacity has happened...... only after that >>> event.........there is >>> > > no >>> > > > > > > entity involved, there is no separation involved. >>> > >>> > > > > > > Non-entitification, non-separation, is the case, whether in >>> the >>> > > > > particularmilieu... >>> > >>> > > > > > > ... a sage (as held by the audience to be a sage) speaks to >>> a >>> > > > > seeker......or >>> > > > > > > two warring nations threaten to obliterate the other .....in >>> the >>> > > name >>> > > > > of >>> > > > > > > democracy or in the name of Allah. >>> > >>> > > > > > > Whether it is seen to be acts of compassion or genocide...... >>> > >>> > > > > > > .....it is always the Duet of One. >>> > >>> > > > > > > In this Duet of One......compassion or empathy......is akin >>> the >>> > > > > rushingof the hand to cup the bleeding toe and ease the pain, >>> when the >>> > > toe >>> > > > > got >>> > > > > > > stubbed. >>> > >>> > > > > > > The compassionate hand does not see itself separate to the >>> > > > > > > bleeding/painful toe. >>> > >>> > > > > > > Nor does it see itself as the same. >>> > >>> > > > > > > The ideation of separation or the ideation of >>> non-separation...... >>> > >>> > > > > > > .....both are meaningless, irrelevant in the immediacy of >>> the >>> > > > > actioning. >>> > >>> > > > > > > Even the term "immediacy" is misleading for it suggests that >>> there >>> > > > > are >>> > > > > > > some actions which are spontaneous and some which are delayed >>> in >>> > > > > time......being affected by deliberation, pondering, thinking etc >>> etc. >>> > >>> > > > > > > The deliberation is immediate, the pondering is immediate, >>> the >>> > > > > reflection >>> > > > > > > is immediate and the physical actualization of all these >>> immediate >>> > > > > mentations......into an action or series of actions (if at >>> > > all).......is >>> > > > > > > also immediate. >>> > >>> > > > > > > When there is nothing which is not immediate........the term >>> > > immediacy >>> > > > > > > becomes superfluous. >>> > >>> > > > > > > That is why the apperception of Advaita is the immediate >>> > > primordial >>> > > > > mirth >>> > > > > > > at the concept of both Dvait as well as Advait.- Hide quoted >>> text - >>> > >>> > > > > > - Show quoted text - >>> >> >> >
