I just tried the experiment on my 2014 Subaru which I’m sure has electric power steering. No power assist when the engine isn’t running. Oddly it works for a few seconds after turning off the engine. Even if you turn the key back to the run position, no power assist unless you restart the engine. This is not a pushbutton start vehicle, but I’m guessing they would act the same. Now I’m wondering, with no ignition switch, there would be no ACC position, right? How do you tell the car you want the engine off but the radio and lights and all the other electronic gizmos on? Or do they all work as long as the key fob is within range? That seems wrong.
From: AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> On Behalf Of Chuck McCown Sent: Sunday, December 16, 2018 6:42 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: push button vehicles I remember a car that had push button start. The button was under the gas pedal. You turned on the key and then floored it. Most of the farm trucks we had when I was a kid had a starter pedal coming out of the floor. My Camaro was 1979. Brand new right off the show room floor. Young and dumb and wanted to impress girls. It did. I still have the girl, not the car. From: Ken Hohhof Sent: Sunday, December 16, 2018 4:57 PM To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: push button vehicles Also many new vehicles have electric power steering, which I assume still works with the engine off, unless the battery is dead? Mine does, I guess I could do an experiment. I think electric steering may play a role in automatic parallel parking, and tuning the steering response for different driving modes. My 1969 Camaro had quick ratio manual steering, yet it had power brakes. Go figure. I guess real men don’t use power steering. You learned to never try and turn the steering wheel unless the car was moving. Especially if you were also shifting gears. Texting while driving was not an option, all your appendages were needed just to drive. Luckily texting didn’t exist yet. BTW, it appears that pushbutton start ruled from 1915 to 1949 when key start was introduced (as a safety feature). The original pushbutton start replaced hand cranking which could break your arm if the crank kicked back. That will make you cranky. From: AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com <mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf Of Matt Hoppes Sent: Sunday, December 16, 2018 4:34 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com <mailto:af@af.afmug.com> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: push button vehicles Power steering? No one needs that. My 2000 Saturn SL1 didn’t even have power steering :) On Dec 16, 2018, at 17:22, Josh Luthman <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com <mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> > wrote: You turn the engine off you lose your power steering. Put it in neutral and you lose your throttle putting power to the transmission. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Sun, Dec 16, 2018 at 2:07 PM Bill Prince <part15...@gmail.com <mailto:part15...@gmail.com> > wrote: Had that happen several years ago. In Minnesota, in the winter. I don't remember what the temperature was, but I know it has a "-" in front of it and there was more than 1 digit. The driver had stepped on it (dry pavement at least), but the throttle stuck. It was probably something in the linkage. None-the-less, the immediate remedy at the moment was to turn off the ignition. It almost worked flawlessly, but the guy turning the key went one step too far, and also locked the steering wheel. Disaster was avoided when he unlocked the steering wheel, but left the ignition off. bp <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com> On 12/16/2018 10:55 AM, Josh Luthman wrote: Why would you emergency shut off the engine? That sounds absolutely suicidal. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Sun, Dec 16, 2018 at 1:40 PM Matt Hoppes <mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net <mailto:mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> > wrote: We are looking to refresh one of our SUVs. Everything seems to be going push start - which scares me for several reasons: 1) key fob battery death - leaving you stranded. Apparently with most vehicles there are hidden keys and slots. Ok. 2) needing to perform an emergency engine stop at highway speed. Apparently you can hold the stop button for three seconds (which I might add can be a very long time and a long distance at 70mph!) 3) that brings us to 3. Assuming the engine is forced to stop at highway speed. How do you: a) put the vehicle into ACC mode so the wheel stays unlocked b) attempt a restart of the engine (while shifted to neutral) while the vehicle is still moving from previous engine momentum? Although this may seem trivial. I’ve had 2-3 instances over my 20 years of driving where I’ve either had to dead stick a vehicle into a service location because of a broken component that died at highway speed, or another engine issue. 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