I just tried the experiment on my 2014 Subaru which I’m sure has
electric power steering. No power assist when the engine isn’t
running. Oddly it works for a few seconds after turning off the
engine. Even if you turn the key back to the run position, no power
assist unless you restart the engine. This is not a pushbutton start
vehicle, but I’m guessing they would act the same. Now I’m wondering,
with no ignition switch, there would be no ACC position, right? How
do you tell the car you want the engine off but the radio and lights
and all the other electronic gizmos on? Or do they all work as long
as the key fob is within range? That seems wrong.
*From:* AF <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>>
*On Behalf Of *Chuck McCown
*Sent:* Sunday, December 16, 2018 6:42 PM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <[email protected]
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*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: push button vehicles
I remember a car that had push button start. The button was under the
gas pedal. You turned on the key and then floored it.
Most of the farm trucks we had when I was a kid had a starter pedal
coming out of the floor.
My Camaro was 1979. Brand new right off the show room floor. Young
and dumb and wanted to impress girls. It did. I still have the girl,
not the car.
*From:*Ken Hohhof
*Sent:*Sunday, December 16, 2018 4:57 PM
*To:*'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
*Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] OT: push button vehicles
Also many new vehicles have electric power steering, which I assume
still works with the engine off, unless the battery is dead? Mine
does, I guess I could do an experiment.
I think electric steering may play a role in automatic parallel
parking, and tuning the steering response for different driving modes.
My 1969 Camaro had quick ratio manual steering, yet it had power
brakes. Go figure. I guess real men don’t use power steering. You
learned to never try and turn the steering wheel unless the car was
moving. Especially if you were also shifting gears. Texting while
driving was not an option, all your appendages were needed just to
drive. Luckily texting didn’t exist yet.
BTW, it appears that pushbutton start ruled from 1915 to 1949 when
key start was introduced (as a safety feature). The original
pushbutton start replaced hand cranking which could break your arm if
the crank kicked back. That will make you cranky.
*From:*AF <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>>
*On Behalf Of *Matt Hoppes
*Sent:* Sunday, December 16, 2018 4:34 PM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: push button vehicles
Power steering? No one needs that. My 2000 Saturn SL1 didn’t even
have power steering :)
On Dec 16, 2018, at 17:22, Josh Luthman <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
You turn the engine off you lose your power steering.
Put it in neutral and you lose your throttle putting power to the
transmission.
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Sun, Dec 16, 2018 at 2:07 PM Bill Prince <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
Had that happen several years ago. In Minnesota, in the
winter. I don't remember what the temperature was, but I know
it has a "-" in front of it and there was more than 1 digit.
The driver had stepped on it (dry pavement at least), but the
throttle stuck. It was probably something in the linkage.
None-the-less, the immediate remedy at the moment was to turn
off the ignition. It almost worked flawlessly, but the guy
turning the key went one step too far, and also locked the
steering wheel. Disaster was avoided when he unlocked the
steering wheel, but left the ignition off.
bp
<part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
On 12/16/2018 10:55 AM, Josh Luthman wrote:
Why would you emergency shut off the engine? That sounds
absolutely suicidal.
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Sun, Dec 16, 2018 at 1:40 PM Matt Hoppes
<[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
We are looking to refresh one of our SUVs. Everything
seems to be going push start - which scares me for
several reasons:
1) key fob battery death - leaving you stranded.
Apparently with most vehicles there are hidden keys
and slots. Ok.
2) needing to perform an emergency engine stop at
highway speed. Apparently you can hold the stop button
for three seconds (which I might add can be a very
long time and a long distance at 70mph!)
3) that brings us to 3. Assuming the engine is forced
to stop at highway speed. How do you: a) put the
vehicle into ACC mode so the wheel stays unlocked b)
attempt a restart of the engine (while shifted to
neutral) while the vehicle is still moving from
previous engine momentum?
Although this may seem trivial. I’ve had 2-3 instances
over my 20 years of driving where I’ve either had to
dead stick a vehicle into a service location because
of a broken component that died at highway speed, or
another engine issue. In all cases, having to stop the
vehicle to attempt an engine restart would have caused
me to get stranded rather than arrive at a location
where the vehicle could be serviced.
#20YearsWithoutNeedingATow
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