Doesn’t currently But when the fob technology first came out they did! > On Dec 17, 2018, at 00:52, Robert <[email protected]> wrote: > > > >> On 12/16/18 5:14 PM, Matt Hoppes wrote: >> You press the button without pressing the pedal. >> Apparently turning a key was too complicated and hard for folks. >> Now we just have people running off with a key fob while someone else drives >> the vehicle away. Ooops. >> Consider this scenario: >> I keep key fob in my pocket. Tech meets me at tower. Tech takes my vehicle >> (for whatever reason). >> Tech shuts off vehicle. Vehicle won’t restart because fob is still in my >> pocket. Tech is stranded. > > IF the fob is out of the vehicle there is a constant bing alarm letting you > know and a message on the dash >> When these fobs first came out there was a major security issue somehow no >> one thought of. >> When you approach the vehicle and touch the handle while having the fob the >> door unlocks. So. If you’re on the vehicle, with the doors locked and >> someone comes up to carjack/rob you when they touch the door handle what >> happens? > On both my jeep and the dodge the car is aware if the fob is inside the > vehicle vs outside. Nope doesn't unlock to a stranger outside when you are > inside unless the crash sensors say to. >> Yup. It unlocks. >> Thankfully the fob/key lock system is now integrated with at least the >> pressure sensor on the driver side seat - I don’t know if it also works with >> the passenger. >> Was it really so hard to hit the unlock button on the fob? >>> On Dec 16, 2018, at 19:59, Ken Hohhof <[email protected] >>> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >>> I just tried the experiment on my 2014 Subaru which I’m sure has electric >>> power steering. No power assist when the engine isn’t running. Oddly it >>> works for a few seconds after turning off the engine. Even if you turn the >>> key back to the run position, no power assist unless you restart the >>> engine. This is not a pushbutton start vehicle, but I’m guessing they >>> would act the same. Now I’m wondering, with no ignition switch, there >>> would be no ACC position, right? How do you tell the car you want the >>> engine off but the radio and lights and all the other electronic gizmos on? >>> Or do they all work as long as the key fob is within range? That seems >>> wrong. >>> >>> *From:* AF <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> *On >>> Behalf Of *Chuck McCown >>> *Sent:* Sunday, December 16, 2018 6:42 PM >>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <[email protected] >>> <mailto:[email protected]>> >>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: push button vehicles >>> >>> I remember a car that had push button start. The button was under the gas >>> pedal. You turned on the key and then floored it. >>> >>> Most of the farm trucks we had when I was a kid had a starter pedal coming >>> out of the floor. >>> >>> My Camaro was 1979. Brand new right off the show room floor. Young and >>> dumb and wanted to impress girls. It did. I still have the girl, not the >>> car. >>> >>> *From:*Ken Hohhof >>> >>> *Sent:*Sunday, December 16, 2018 4:57 PM >>> >>> *To:*'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' >>> >>> *Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] OT: push button vehicles >>> >>> Also many new vehicles have electric power steering, which I assume still >>> works with the engine off, unless the battery is dead? Mine does, I guess >>> I could do an experiment. >>> >>> I think electric steering may play a role in automatic parallel parking, >>> and tuning the steering response for different driving modes. >>> >>> My 1969 Camaro had quick ratio manual steering, yet it had power brakes. >>> Go figure. I guess real men don’t use power steering. You learned to >>> never try and turn the steering wheel unless the car was moving. >>> Especially if you were also shifting gears. Texting while driving was not >>> an option, all your appendages were needed just to drive. Luckily texting >>> didn’t exist yet. >>> >>> BTW, it appears that pushbutton start ruled from 1915 to 1949 when key >>> start was introduced (as a safety feature). The original pushbutton start >>> replaced hand cranking which could break your arm if the crank kicked back. >>> That will make you cranky. >>> >>> *From:*AF <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> *On >>> Behalf Of *Matt Hoppes >>> *Sent:* Sunday, December 16, 2018 4:34 PM >>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <[email protected] >>> <mailto:[email protected]>> >>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: push button vehicles >>> >>> Power steering? No one needs that. My 2000 Saturn SL1 didn’t even have >>> power steering :) >>> >>> >>> On Dec 16, 2018, at 17:22, Josh Luthman <[email protected] >>> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >>> >>> You turn the engine off you lose your power steering. >>> >>> >>> Put it in neutral and you lose your throttle putting power to the >>> transmission. >>> >>> Josh Luthman >>> Office: 937-552-2340 >>> Direct: 937-552-2343 >>> 1100 Wayne St >>> Suite 1337 >>> Troy, OH 45373 >>> >>> On Sun, Dec 16, 2018 at 2:07 PM Bill Prince <[email protected] >>> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >>> >>> Had that happen several years ago. In Minnesota, in the >>> winter. I don't remember what the temperature was, but I know >>> it has a "-" in front of it and there was more than 1 digit. >>> The driver had stepped on it (dry pavement at least), but the >>> throttle stuck. It was probably something in the linkage. >>> None-the-less, the immediate remedy at the moment was to turn >>> off the ignition. It almost worked flawlessly, but the guy >>> turning the key went one step too far, and also locked the >>> steering wheel. Disaster was avoided when he unlocked the >>> steering wheel, but left the ignition off. >>> >>> bp >>> >>> <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com> >>> >>> On 12/16/2018 10:55 AM, Josh Luthman wrote: >>> >>> Why would you emergency shut off the engine? That sounds >>> absolutely suicidal. >>> >>> Josh Luthman >>> Office: 937-552-2340 >>> Direct: 937-552-2343 >>> 1100 Wayne St >>> Suite 1337 >>> Troy, OH 45373 >>> >>> On Sun, Dec 16, 2018 at 1:40 PM Matt Hoppes >>> <[email protected] >>> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >>> >>> We are looking to refresh one of our SUVs. Everything >>> seems to be going push start - which scares me for >>> several reasons: >>> >>> 1) key fob battery death - leaving you stranded. >>> Apparently with most vehicles there are hidden keys >>> and slots. Ok. >>> >>> 2) needing to perform an emergency engine stop at >>> highway speed. Apparently you can hold the stop button >>> for three seconds (which I might add can be a very >>> long time and a long distance at 70mph!) >>> >>> 3) that brings us to 3. Assuming the engine is forced >>> to stop at highway speed. How do you: a) put the >>> vehicle into ACC mode so the wheel stays unlocked b) >>> attempt a restart of the engine (while shifted to >>> neutral) while the vehicle is still moving from >>> previous engine momentum? >>> >>> Although this may seem trivial. I’ve had 2-3 instances >>> over my 20 years of driving where I’ve either had to >>> dead stick a vehicle into a service location because >>> of a broken component that died at highway speed, or >>> another engine issue. 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