so is it safe to now assume "the first one with fiber" does not necessarily still win?
obviously ATT got there first so i guess they won.... ----- Original Message ----- From: Colin Stanners To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Sent: Saturday, February 9, 2019 12:28 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Google fiber bailing on Louisville Microfiber works for cheaper/faster/temporary runs or as you said on private, controlled property. On Sat, Feb 9, 2019, 12:24 PM Bill Prince <[email protected] wrote: I think microfiber can work it is for the end-user hookup, and (probably) entirely on their property. However, for a main line, or even a trunk, it sounds like it's maybe just a bit too cheap. -- bp part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com On Sat, Feb 9, 2019 at 10:15 AM Matt Hoppes <[email protected]> wrote: I thought the whole issue of 2” deep was brought up when it started and was determined and said to be a non issue. Either because no one would bother it or they would just rerun. On Feb 9, 2019, at 12:27 PM, Chuck Hogg <[email protected]> wrote: So here's why Google Fiber failed. 1. Microtrenches were done as little as 2" in some areas. When roads got resurfaced, they ate up Google Fiber. Additionally, you could go down a road and see foam coming up in some areas. Google Fiber contractors were not what I'd call first rate. They were being pressured by the local project manager to get things completed fast. Anyone in construction knows that means quality can go to shit. 2. Anytime a permit was pulled for Google Fiber microtrenching, AT&T owned the poles, so they deployed fiber within 2 weeks of a permit. The work usually didn't commence for a month and by that time, AT&T had went through and signed up a bunch of customers. So Google Fiber take rate was not very high as AT&T built faster than them. AT&T project managers were given an "unlimited" budget to beat Google Fiber on every project. Spectrum would also upgrade those same areas to latest DOCSIS technology to deploy gigabit speeds as well. 3. Lots of promises and not a lot delivered. They know the plant does not have a long term life and don't feel like fixing things. So now the city has to deal with it for the time to come. That sad part is that a lot of my friends have it where it is available to them. They like it a lot and don't want to go back to AT&T/Spectrum. On Sat, Feb 9, 2019 at 12:20 PM Bill Prince <[email protected]> wrote: Sure enough. But if it doesn't get USA attention, you may be doing a lot of repairs. Sounds like that's what Google discovered. -- bp part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com On Sat, Feb 9, 2019 at 9:15 AM Chuck McCown <[email protected]> wrote: I recently got a quote from a contractor for microtrenching. $12/foot asphalt repair, duct and handholes included. Cheaper than boring. From: Colin Stanners Sent: Saturday, February 09, 2019 10:01 AM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Google fiber bailing on Louisville From the article: The tech giant acknowledged problems in Louisville with a new method of digging shallower trenches to speed up the installation times of the fiber optic cable. Google says the problems were "disruptive to residents and caused service issues for our customers." Sounds like they tried microtrenching and then discovered its limitations, or how little city/construction crews worry about hitting fiber when it's at pretty much street level/directly in their work area. On Sat, Feb 9, 2019 at 10:43 AM Chuck McCown <[email protected]> wrote: And an unlimited supply of money does not help. Slow and careful on a limited budget does work. Many on this list can prove it. From: Bill Prince Sent: Saturday, February 09, 2019 9:38 AM To: AFMUG Subject: [AFMUG] OT: Google fiber bailing on Louisville Yet another confirmation that it's not as easy as it looks. https://finance.yahoo.com/news/googles-high-speed-internet-pulling-220020962.html -- bp part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com ------------------------------------------------------------------ -- AF mailing list [email protected] http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list [email protected] http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -------------------------------------------------------------------- -- AF mailing list [email protected] http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list [email protected] http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list [email protected] http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- Regards, Chuck -- AF mailing list [email protected] http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list [email protected] http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list [email protected] http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ -- AF mailing list [email protected] http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
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