I do t believe it is. First one to the customer with reasonable service levels and customer service and prices wins.
> On Feb 9, 2019, at 6:52 PM, Mike Hammett <[email protected]> wrote: > > Well, is it? Did AT&T beat Google to many of the homes? > > > > ----- > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions > > Midwest Internet Exchange > > The Brothers WISP > > > > > From: "Chuck McCown" <[email protected]> > To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" <[email protected]> > Sent: Saturday, February 9, 2019 5:02:02 PM > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Google fiber bailing on Louisville > > This an exception to that rule. > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Feb 9, 2019, at 1:46 PM, CBB - Jay Fuller <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > so is it safe to now assume "the first one with fiber" does not necessarily > still win? > > obviously ATT got there first so i guess they won.... > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Colin Stanners > To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group > Sent: Saturday, February 9, 2019 12:28 PM > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Google fiber bailing on Louisville > > Microfiber works for cheaper/faster/temporary runs or as you said on private, > controlled property. > >> On Sat, Feb 9, 2019, 12:24 PM Bill Prince <[email protected] wrote: >> >> I think microfiber can work it is for the end-user hookup, and (probably) >> entirely on their property. However, for a main line, or even a trunk, it >> sounds like it's maybe just a bit too cheap. >> >> -- >> bp >> part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com >> >> >>> On Sat, Feb 9, 2019 at 10:15 AM Matt Hoppes >>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>> I thought the whole issue of 2” deep was brought up when it started and was >>> determined and said to be a non issue. >>> >>> Either because no one would bother it or they would just rerun. >>> >>> On Feb 9, 2019, at 12:27 PM, Chuck Hogg <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> >>> So here's why Google Fiber failed. >>> >>> 1. Microtrenches were done as little as 2" in some areas. When roads got >>> resurfaced, they ate up Google Fiber. Additionally, you could go down a >>> road and see foam coming up in some areas. Google Fiber contractors were >>> not what I'd call first rate. They were being pressured by the local >>> project manager to get things completed fast. Anyone in construction knows >>> that means quality can go to shit. >>> 2. Anytime a permit was pulled for Google Fiber microtrenching, AT&T owned >>> the poles, so they deployed fiber within 2 weeks of a permit. The work >>> usually didn't commence for a month and by that time, AT&T had went through >>> and signed up a bunch of customers. So Google Fiber take rate was not very >>> high as AT&T built faster than them. AT&T project managers were given an >>> "unlimited" budget to beat Google Fiber on every project. Spectrum would >>> also upgrade those same areas to latest DOCSIS technology to deploy gigabit >>> speeds as well. >>> 3. Lots of promises and not a lot delivered. They know the plant does not >>> have a long term life and don't feel like fixing things. So now the city >>> has to deal with it for the time to come. >>> >>> That sad part is that a lot of my friends have it where it is available to >>> them. They like it a lot and don't want to go back to AT&T/Spectrum. >>> >>>> On Sat, Feb 9, 2019 at 12:20 PM Bill Prince <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> Sure enough. But if it doesn't get USA attention, you may be doing a lot >>>> of repairs. Sounds like that's what Google discovered. >>>> >>>> -- >>>> bp >>>> part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com >>>> >>>> >>>>> On Sat, Feb 9, 2019 at 9:15 AM Chuck McCown <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> I recently got a quote from a contractor for microtrenching. $12/foot >>>>> asphalt repair, duct and handholes included. Cheaper than boring. >>>>> >>>>> From: Colin Stanners >>>>> Sent: Saturday, February 09, 2019 10:01 AM >>>>> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group >>>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Google fiber bailing on Louisville >>>>> >>>>> From the article: The tech giant acknowledged problems in Louisville with >>>>> a new method of digging shallower trenches to speed up the installation >>>>> times of the fiber optic cable. Google says the problems were "disruptive >>>>> to residents and caused service issues for our customers." >>>>> >>>>> Sounds like they tried microtrenching and then discovered its >>>>> limitations, or how little city/construction crews worry about hitting >>>>> fiber when it's at pretty much street level/directly in their work area. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> On Sat, Feb 9, 2019 at 10:43 AM Chuck McCown <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> And an unlimited supply of money does not help. Slow and careful on a >>>>>> limited budget does work. Many on this list can prove it. >>>>>> >>>>>> From: Bill Prince >>>>>> Sent: Saturday, February 09, 2019 9:38 AM >>>>>> To: AFMUG >>>>>> Subject: [AFMUG] OT: Google fiber bailing on Louisville >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Yet another confirmation that it's not as easy as it looks. >>>>>> >>>>>> https://finance.yahoo.com/news/googles-high-speed-internet-pulling-220020962.html >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> bp >>>>>> part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com >>>>>> -- >>>>>> AF mailing list >>>>>> [email protected] >>>>>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >>>>>> -- >>>>>> AF mailing list >>>>>> [email protected] >>>>>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> AF mailing list >>>>> [email protected] >>>>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >>>>> -- >>>>> AF mailing list >>>>> [email protected] >>>>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >>>> -- >>>> AF mailing list >>>> [email protected] >>>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Regards, >>> Chuck >>> -- >>> AF mailing list >>> [email protected] >>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >>> -- >>> AF mailing list >>> [email protected] >>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >> -- >> AF mailing list >> [email protected] >> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > -- > AF mailing list > [email protected] > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > -- > AF mailing list > [email protected] > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > -- > AF mailing list > [email protected] > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > -- > AF mailing list > [email protected] > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
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