Except it’s never a race to the bottom. It’s a race to play games.
Around here we take Comcast customers every day offering slower speeds than
they do.
Why?
Because Comcast offers X speed for $49.95 for the first 12 months in a two year
contract.
Yeah. That’s one amazing deal there especially if you don’t read the fine
print.
> On Feb 9, 2019, at 8:22 PM, CBB - Jay Fuller <par...@cyberbroadband.net>
> wrote:
>
>
> It sounds like once "gig" arrives everyone else instantly trys to match it to
> save their customer base.
> Then it sounds like it's a race to the bottom on price.
> What is it the Meme says, prove me wrong?
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Matt Hoppes
> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> Sent: Saturday, February 9, 2019 6:14 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Google fiber bailing on Louisville
>
> I do t believe it is. First one to the customer with reasonable service
> levels and customer service and prices wins.
>
>> On Feb 9, 2019, at 6:52 PM, Mike Hammett <af...@ics-il.net> wrote:
>>
>> Well, is it? Did AT&T beat Google to many of the homes?
>>
>>
>>
>> -----
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions
>>
>> Midwest Internet Exchange
>>
>> The Brothers WISP
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> From: "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com>
>> To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" <af@af.afmug.com>
>> Sent: Saturday, February 9, 2019 5:02:02 PM
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Google fiber bailing on Louisville
>>
>> This an exception to that rule.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Feb 9, 2019, at 1:46 PM, CBB - Jay Fuller <par...@cyberbroadband.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>> so is it safe to now assume "the first one with fiber" does not necessarily
>> still win?
>>
>> obviously ATT got there first so i guess they won....
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Colin Stanners
>> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>> Sent: Saturday, February 9, 2019 12:28 PM
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Google fiber bailing on Louisville
>>
>> Microfiber works for cheaper/faster/temporary runs or as you said on
>> private, controlled property.
>>
>>> On Sat, Feb 9, 2019, 12:24 PM Bill Prince <part15...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
>>> I think microfiber can work it is for the end-user hookup, and (probably)
>>> entirely on their property. However, for a main line, or even a trunk, it
>>> sounds like it's maybe just a bit too cheap.
>>>
>>> --
>>> bp
>>> part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
>>>
>>>
>>>> On Sat, Feb 9, 2019 at 10:15 AM Matt Hoppes
>>>> <mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> wrote:
>>>> I thought the whole issue of 2” deep was brought up when it started and
>>>> was determined and said to be a non issue.
>>>>
>>>> Either because no one would bother it or they would just rerun.
>>>>
>>>> On Feb 9, 2019, at 12:27 PM, Chuck Hogg <ch...@allpointsbroadband.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> So here's why Google Fiber failed.
>>>>
>>>> 1. Microtrenches were done as little as 2" in some areas. When roads got
>>>> resurfaced, they ate up Google Fiber. Additionally, you could go down a
>>>> road and see foam coming up in some areas. Google Fiber contractors were
>>>> not what I'd call first rate. They were being pressured by the local
>>>> project manager to get things completed fast. Anyone in construction
>>>> knows that means quality can go to shit.
>>>> 2. Anytime a permit was pulled for Google Fiber microtrenching, AT&T
>>>> owned the poles, so they deployed fiber within 2 weeks of a permit. The
>>>> work usually didn't commence for a month and by that time, AT&T had went
>>>> through and signed up a bunch of customers. So Google Fiber take rate was
>>>> not very high as AT&T built faster than them. AT&T project managers were
>>>> given an "unlimited" budget to beat Google Fiber on every
>>>> project. Spectrum would also upgrade those same areas to latest DOCSIS
>>>> technology to deploy gigabit speeds as well.
>>>> 3. Lots of promises and not a lot delivered. They know the plant does
>>>> not have a long term life and don't feel like fixing things. So now the
>>>> city has to deal with it for the time to come.
>>>>
>>>> That sad part is that a lot of my friends have it where it is available to
>>>> them. They like it a lot and don't want to go back to AT&T/Spectrum.
>>>>
>>>>> On Sat, Feb 9, 2019 at 12:20 PM Bill Prince <part15...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> Sure enough. But if it doesn't get USA attention, you may be doing a lot
>>>>> of repairs. Sounds like that's what Google discovered.
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> bp
>>>>> part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sat, Feb 9, 2019 at 9:15 AM Chuck McCown
>>>>>> <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
>>>>>> I recently got a quote from a contractor for microtrenching. $12/foot
>>>>>> asphalt repair, duct and handholes included. Cheaper than boring.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> From: Colin Stanners
>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, February 09, 2019 10:01 AM
>>>>>> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Google fiber bailing on Louisville
>>>>>>
>>>>>> From the article: The tech giant acknowledged problems
>>>>>> in Louisville with a new method of digging shallower trenches to speed
>>>>>> up the installation times of the fiber optic cable. Google says the
>>>>>> problems were "disruptive to residents and caused service issues for our
>>>>>> customers."
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sounds like they tried microtrenching and then discovered its
>>>>>> limitations, or how little city/construction crews worry about hitting
>>>>>> fiber when it's at pretty much street level/directly in their work area.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Sat, Feb 9, 2019 at 10:43 AM Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> And an unlimited supply of money does not help. Slow and careful on a
>>>>>>> limited budget does work. Many on this list can prove it.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> From: Bill Prince
>>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, February 09, 2019 9:38 AM
>>>>>>> To: AFMUG
>>>>>>> Subject: [AFMUG] OT: Google fiber bailing on Louisville
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Yet another confirmation that it's not as easy as it looks.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> https://finance.yahoo.com/news/googles-high-speed-internet-pulling-220020962.html
>>>>>>>
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