Mike, What did you have quoted? just dirt work or project end to end? On Wed, Feb 13, 2019 at 2:33 PM Tim Cailloux <[email protected]> wrote:
> You're not obligated by GAAP to treat book value of an asset as commercial > value (i.e. "mark to market"), so it's appropriate to treat fiber as a > long-lived depreciating asset. > > There may be some interesting accounting if you sign an IRU, and it turns > out that accountants wrote a white paper on that: > > https://www.ey.com/Publication/vwLUAssets/ey-spotlight-on-telecommunications-accounting/$FILE/ey-spotlight-on-telecommunications-accounting-issue2.pdf > > I would be surprised if states have unfavorable tax treatment of fiber > builds, and may even encourage it and give tax discounts. In Georgia, for > example, tax credits are given to telecommunication builds. > > tim > > > On Wed, Feb 13, 2019 at 2:44 PM Tim Withrow via AF <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> How is the yearly taxes on the physical fiber asset, in the states that >> tax it? >> >> Is it a depreciating asset, or one that gains value generally? >> ------------------------------ >> On Wednesday, February 13, 2019 Mike Hammett <[email protected]> wrote: >> I found a crew that'll do a ballpark drill cost of $7. I haven't gotten >> any details yet about restoration, potholing, etc. I have some more crews >> to follow up on. >> >> I was really targeting that for my total price due to what I heard others >> in Indiana are paying, but it seems like I won't get there. >> >> >> >> ----- >> Mike Hammett >> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> >> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> >> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> >> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> >> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> >> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> >> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> >> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> >> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> >> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> >> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> >> >> >> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> >> ------------------------------ >> *From: *[email protected] >> *To: *"AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" <[email protected]> >> *Sent: *Wednesday, February 13, 2019 11:05:56 AM >> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] 10 mile fiber >> >> Directional drilling will cost from $15-$25/ft. >> Plowing about $4 - $6/ft >> Excavation $8 –$15/ft >> Blowing $.50 - $1/ft >> Splicing $10-$20 per burn >> >> *From:* Mike Hammett >> *Sent:* Wednesday, February 13, 2019 9:59 AM >> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 10 mile fiber >> >> I've been asking around for companies to do a bunch of build up here. I >> haven't liked most of the quotes I've seen. I'll let you know what I end up >> doing. >> >> That said, I was probably going to do everything other than the dirt work >> myself. >> >> >> >> ----- >> Mike Hammett >> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> >> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> >> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> >> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> >> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> >> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> >> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> >> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> >> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> >> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> >> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> >> >> >> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> >> ------------------------------ >> *From: *"Steve Jones" <[email protected]> >> *To: *"AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" <[email protected]> >> *Sent: *Wednesday, February 13, 2019 10:47:01 AM >> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] 10 mile fiber >> >> In illinois, who would be a project contractor to approach for a >> legitimate quote on a fiber project like this? Start to finish, permitting, >> product spec, duct, fiber, terminations, handhole/vaults, trench/bore, etc >> >> On Mon, Dec 24, 2018 at 4:47 PM Chuck McCown <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> Cost >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On Dec 24, 2018, at 3:32 PM, Steve Jones <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >> oh. I cant see that if we ever did this type of fiber we would direct >> bury. aside from cost is there any reason one wouldnt duct? >> >> On Mon, Dec 24, 2018 at 10:24 AM Chuck McCown <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> I like 100’ in each handhole. >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On Dec 24, 2018, at 9:10 AM, Mark Radabaugh <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> >> >> On Dec 24, 2018, at 11:00 AM, Steve Jones <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >> 300k was a quote at one point. Weve got a little under half that in >> microwave solutions spread over the years and we are coming up on >> consistent 1/3 capacity with spikes over half, so we will outgrow that >> investment again in a relatively short period. >> >> >> 30k / mile is pretty typical. >> >> >> "You can cut and splice duct when going over and under obstacles. If >> doing direct burial you would be doing giant figure 8s or cutting and >> splicing every time you hit a culvert or other shallow facility." >> >> >> I assume these figure8 are slack and in handhole/vaults? so in rural >> areas, at least 1 per mile since theres a road every mile? >> >> >> >> Nope. The figure-8 is how you have to handle the cable when installing >> it if you don’t have duct. When direct burying the cable you have to >> take the spool with you as you go since you can’t pull cable once it’s >> buried. Every time you need to pass under an obstacle you either have to >> cut the fiber and splice it back together or pull the entire remainder of >> the cable off the real, store it temporarily, shove the end under the >> obstacle and then reel up all the cable again. It’s a seriously labor >> intensive process and you risk damaging the cable every time you do it. >> >> >> Whats the rule of thumb on slack? is there a percentage? like say for >> every 1000 feet you have x feet of slack? I aasume when an auger hits the >> duct it will pull alot of that slack? >> >> >> 10% >> >> Mark >> >> >> On Sat, Dec 22, 2018, 12:04 PM Chuck McCown <[email protected] wrote: >> >> Duct can be had for 35 cents / foot or less. I was getting it for 28 >> cents until the extrusion company went BK. >> >> You can cut and splice duct when going over and under obstacles. If >> doing direct burial you would be doing giant figure 8s or cutting and >> splicing every time you hit a culvert or other shallow facility. >> >> You can blow another fiber over the top of an existing fiber. >> >> Fewer fiber cuts and splices etc. In my opinion you don’t save that much >> money with direct burial. >> >> *From:* Chris Fabien >> *Sent:* Saturday, December 22, 2018 10:53 AM >> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 10 mile fiber >> >> I know we've had this discussion before.... we don't have gophers in >> Michigan. Only damage we have had on direct bury was due to gas company. >> Yeah it was a pain to fix, about 8 hours of downtime. But the cost savings >> is worth it to me for my network. We are doing FTTH so we do have more >> handholes for test points. Usually at least 6 per mile. Don't know where >> Steve is or how well funded so just sharing a lower cost option, I guess. >> >> On Sat, Dec 22, 2018, 12:15 PM Chuck McCown <[email protected] wrote: >> >> The worst part of direct burial is gopher damage. And they will eat it >> up on 100 places but they may not fail until there is some nearby >> vibration. They seem to have the ability to eat up the cable but leave the >> strands intact or just break one or two of them. >> >> Yes, you first have to find the damage and in long rural stretches that >> can be difficult, more so with direct because you have to dig, cut, test, >> dig cut test. With duct you just pull on it and see if it moves. OTDRs >> are not precision measuring devices. Even if they are +-1% accurate, that >> is 52 feet of uncertainty in a mile. So you shoot both ends and then >> extrapolate the center of overlap or gap. >> >> Pray, dig, cut, test, splice, pray, dig, cuts, test, splice. Repeat >> until you get there. After some time you will have it bracketed and many >> times you just replace 1000’ instead of actually finding and fixing the >> problem. >> >> All the while customers are very unhappy. I have had it take a week to >> fix very long remote troubles like this. >> >> *From:* Colin Stanners >> *Sent:* Saturday, December 22, 2018 9:56 AM >> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 10 mile fiber >> >> We also usually install a second duct on all major routes. >> >> Chuck, with your long career, I assume that you've had a few cases where >> direct burial took a long time/difficulties to fix? >> >> Now working in the long-distance/underground industry, doing all the >> planning and permitting, I've seen our guys pull up things - including a >> boulder the size of a car - from the ground so that they could get that >> conduit through. >> >> On Sat, Dec 22, 2018 at 10:48 AM Chuck McCown <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> I never do direct burial any more. Not even on drops. Generally I >> install an extra duct, I like duralines future path products if I can >> justify the expense. I need to learn how to install microduct into regular >> duct. I am sure I can pull it but I would like to figure out how to blow >> it. >> >> *From:* Colin Stanners >> *Sent:* Saturday, December 22, 2018 9:42 AM >> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 10 mile fiber >> >> I try hard to steer clear of direct-burying cable, which is much easier >> to damage and extremely time-consuming to repair, unless it's a non-crucial >> line (e.g. standard residential customer, although those we currently put >> in conduit as well, to keep future risk and repair costs low). >> >> If this customer is paying 1/4 million to get a line installed, it's >> probably crucial. One day when that line gets hit, if it's in conduit it's >> likely possible to get it repaired within hours to a day. I've even heard >> of cases of the fiber surviving a conduit-line hit since it's "loose" >> inside the conduit and has slack at the ends. If a direct-buried line gets >> hit, especially next to a road etc, it may be needed to get locates, >> arrange a drill, electrical/gas line safety watch, etc, possibly even >> arrange more permitting for a new vault, which will often move time to >> repair to days or a week+. >> >> >> On Sat, Dec 22, 2018 at 9:28 AM Chris Fabien <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> Steve in our area we could do that "on the cheap" with 12 or 24 count >> cable direct buried for around 100k. There are so many variables though. >> You really need someone who has done work in that area and is familiar with >> permitting costs and requirements. I'd it's so rural that you can plow the >> bulk of it and you are OK with direct bury you can save a ton of money vs >> putting it all in duct. >> >> Personally I run at least 24 strands on any run that's going "somewhere". >> Dead end runs can be 12F. >> >> On Sat, Dec 22, 2018, 1:46 AM Steve Jones <[email protected] >> wrote: >> >> If a guy wanted to get fiber in the ground, non aerial between two >> buildings to replace an existing licensed 1.3 gb link. Crosses 3 >> creek/ditches, 10 rural intersections, 10 rural town blocks. What would be >> needed? >> I would guess that duct is the best thing to put it in, innerduct being >> better. >> I'd guess 96+ count isn't going to cost any more per strand to put in the >> duct than 2 (not the cost of the fiber itself) >> Lots of dark strands and duct space is probably lucrative to have just in >> case. >> Slack, handholes, vaults, etc, what would you put in there? 10 or so >> customers on the path so not a ftth type thing. >> -- >> AF mailing list >> [email protected] >> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >> >> -- >> AF mailing list >> [email protected] >> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >> >> ------------------------------ >> -- >> AF mailing list >> [email protected] >> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >> -- >> AF mailing list >> [email protected] >> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >> >> ------------------------------ >> -- >> AF mailing list >> [email protected] >> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >> -- >> AF mailing list >> [email protected] >> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> -- >> AF mailing list >> [email protected] >> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >> >> -- >> AF mailing list >> [email protected] >> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >> >> -- >> AF mailing list >> [email protected] >> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >> >> >> >> -- >> AF mailing list >> [email protected] >> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >> >> -- >> AF mailing list >> [email protected] >> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >> >> -- >> AF mailing list >> [email protected] >> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >> >> -- >> AF mailing list >> [email protected] >> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >> >> >> -- >> AF mailing list >> [email protected] >> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> -- >> AF mailing list >> [email protected] >> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >> >> -- >> AF mailing list >> [email protected] >> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >> >> -- >> AF mailing list >> [email protected] >> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >> -- >> AF mailing list >> [email protected] >> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >> > > > -- > Tim Cailloux > Southern Internet -- Locally Owned and Operated > [email protected] > (404) 406-9911 > -- > AF mailing list > [email protected] > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >
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