hehe 96, what about a 864 or 3456 count :) On Tue, Mar 5, 2019 at 11:44 AM Chris Fabien <[email protected]> wrote:
> Usually a rack mount patch & splice panel. Big box with 96 connectors on > the front and room for splice trays in the back. > > On Tue, Mar 5, 2019 at 1:55 PM Steve Jones <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> Out of curiosity, What does a 96 count terminate to at each end? Would >> you go into just a big wall of pigtails or what. Not being a smart ass >> here, I really dont know how you would manage that volume of fibers coming >> in the wall >> >> On Fri, Feb 15, 2019 at 11:33 AM Mike Hammett <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Both? Still working on it. At the costs some of these guys want, I'll >>> likely just be hiring dirt work. >>> >>> I got a quote of $3/ft just to draw lines on a map when I knew someone >>> building the whole thing for $7. Uh, no thanks. >>> >>> >>> >>> ----- >>> Mike Hammett >>> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> >>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> >>> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> >>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> >>> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> >>> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> >>> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> >>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> >>> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> >>> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> >>> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> >>> >>> >>> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> >>> ------------------------------ >>> *From: *"Steve Jones" <[email protected]> >>> *To: *"AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" <[email protected]> >>> *Sent: *Friday, February 15, 2019 10:49:53 AM >>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] 10 mile fiber >>> >>> Mike, >>> What did you have quoted? just dirt work or project end to end? >>> >>> On Wed, Feb 13, 2019 at 2:33 PM Tim Cailloux <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> You're not obligated by GAAP to treat book value of an asset as >>>> commercial value (i.e. "mark to market"), so it's appropriate to treat >>>> fiber as a long-lived depreciating asset. >>>> >>>> There may be some interesting accounting if you sign an IRU, and it >>>> turns out that accountants wrote a white paper on that: >>>> >>>> https://www.ey.com/Publication/vwLUAssets/ey-spotlight-on-telecommunications-accounting/$FILE/ey-spotlight-on-telecommunications-accounting-issue2.pdf >>>> >>>> I would be surprised if states have unfavorable tax treatment of fiber >>>> builds, and may even encourage it and give tax discounts. In Georgia, for >>>> example, tax credits are given to telecommunication builds. >>>> >>>> tim >>>> >>>> >>>> On Wed, Feb 13, 2019 at 2:44 PM Tim Withrow via AF <[email protected]> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> How is the yearly taxes on the physical fiber asset, in the states >>>>> that tax it? >>>>> >>>>> Is it a depreciating asset, or one that gains value generally? >>>>> ------------------------------ >>>>> On Wednesday, February 13, 2019 Mike Hammett <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> I found a crew that'll do a ballpark drill cost of $7. I haven't >>>>> gotten any details yet about restoration, potholing, etc. I have some more >>>>> crews to follow up on. >>>>> >>>>> I was really targeting that for my total price due to what I heard >>>>> others in Indiana are paying, but it seems like I won't get there. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ----- >>>>> Mike Hammett >>>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> >>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> >>>>> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> >>>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> >>>>> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> >>>>> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> >>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> >>>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> >>>>> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> >>>>> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> >>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> >>>>> ------------------------------ >>>>> *From: *[email protected] >>>>> *To: *"AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" <[email protected]> >>>>> *Sent: *Wednesday, February 13, 2019 11:05:56 AM >>>>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] 10 mile fiber >>>>> >>>>> Directional drilling will cost from $15-$25/ft. >>>>> Plowing about $4 - $6/ft >>>>> Excavation $8 –$15/ft >>>>> Blowing $.50 - $1/ft >>>>> Splicing $10-$20 per burn >>>>> >>>>> *From:* Mike Hammett >>>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, February 13, 2019 9:59 AM >>>>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group >>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 10 mile fiber >>>>> >>>>> I've been asking around for companies to do a bunch of build up here. >>>>> I haven't liked most of the quotes I've seen. I'll let you know what I end >>>>> up doing. >>>>> >>>>> That said, I was probably going to do everything other than the dirt >>>>> work myself. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ----- >>>>> Mike Hammett >>>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> >>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> >>>>> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> >>>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> >>>>> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> >>>>> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> >>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> >>>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> >>>>> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> >>>>> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> >>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> >>>>> ------------------------------ >>>>> *From: *"Steve Jones" <[email protected]> >>>>> *To: *"AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" <[email protected]> >>>>> *Sent: *Wednesday, February 13, 2019 10:47:01 AM >>>>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] 10 mile fiber >>>>> >>>>> In illinois, who would be a project contractor to approach for a >>>>> legitimate quote on a fiber project like this? Start to finish, >>>>> permitting, >>>>> product spec, duct, fiber, terminations, handhole/vaults, trench/bore, etc >>>>> >>>>> On Mon, Dec 24, 2018 at 4:47 PM Chuck McCown <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Cost >>>>> >>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>> >>>>> On Dec 24, 2018, at 3:32 PM, Steve Jones <[email protected]> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> oh. I cant see that if we ever did this type of fiber we would direct >>>>> bury. aside from cost is there any reason one wouldnt duct? >>>>> >>>>> On Mon, Dec 24, 2018 at 10:24 AM Chuck McCown <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> I like 100’ in each handhole. >>>>> >>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>> >>>>> On Dec 24, 2018, at 9:10 AM, Mark Radabaugh <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Dec 24, 2018, at 11:00 AM, Steve Jones <[email protected]> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> 300k was a quote at one point. Weve got a little under half that in >>>>> microwave solutions spread over the years and we are coming up on >>>>> consistent 1/3 capacity with spikes over half, so we will outgrow that >>>>> investment again in a relatively short period. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> 30k / mile is pretty typical. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> "You can cut and splice duct when going over and under obstacles. If >>>>> doing direct burial you would be doing giant figure 8s or cutting and >>>>> splicing every time you hit a culvert or other shallow facility." >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> I assume these figure8 are slack and in handhole/vaults? so in rural >>>>> areas, at least 1 per mile since theres a road every mile? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Nope. The figure-8 is how you have to handle the cable when >>>>> installing it if you don’t have duct. When direct burying the cable you >>>>> have to take the spool with you as you go since you can’t pull cable once >>>>> it’s buried. Every time you need to pass under an obstacle you either >>>>> have to cut the fiber and splice it back together or pull the entire >>>>> remainder of the cable off the real, store it temporarily, shove the end >>>>> under the obstacle and then reel up all the cable again. It’s a >>>>> seriously >>>>> labor intensive process and you risk damaging the cable every time you do >>>>> it. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Whats the rule of thumb on slack? is there a percentage? like say for >>>>> every 1000 feet you have x feet of slack? I aasume when an auger hits the >>>>> duct it will pull alot of that slack? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> 10% >>>>> >>>>> Mark >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Sat, Dec 22, 2018, 12:04 PM Chuck McCown <[email protected] wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Duct can be had for 35 cents / foot or less. I was getting it for 28 >>>>> cents until the extrusion company went BK. >>>>> >>>>> You can cut and splice duct when going over and under obstacles. If >>>>> doing direct burial you would be doing giant figure 8s or cutting and >>>>> splicing every time you hit a culvert or other shallow facility. >>>>> >>>>> You can blow another fiber over the top of an existing fiber. >>>>> >>>>> Fewer fiber cuts and splices etc. In my opinion you don’t save that >>>>> much money with direct burial. >>>>> >>>>> *From:* Chris Fabien >>>>> *Sent:* Saturday, December 22, 2018 10:53 AM >>>>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group >>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 10 mile fiber >>>>> >>>>> I know we've had this discussion before.... we don't have gophers in >>>>> Michigan. Only damage we have had on direct bury was due to gas company. >>>>> Yeah it was a pain to fix, about 8 hours of downtime. But the cost savings >>>>> is worth it to me for my network. We are doing FTTH so we do have more >>>>> handholes for test points. Usually at least 6 per mile. Don't know where >>>>> Steve is or how well funded so just sharing a lower cost option, I guess. >>>>> >>>>> On Sat, Dec 22, 2018, 12:15 PM Chuck McCown <[email protected] wrote: >>>>> >>>>> The worst part of direct burial is gopher damage. And they will eat >>>>> it up on 100 places but they may not fail until there is some nearby >>>>> vibration. They seem to have the ability to eat up the cable but leave >>>>> the >>>>> strands intact or just break one or two of them. >>>>> >>>>> Yes, you first have to find the damage and in long rural stretches >>>>> that can be difficult, more so with direct because you have to dig, cut, >>>>> test, dig cut test. With duct you just pull on it and see if it moves. >>>>> OTDRs are not precision measuring devices. Even if they are +-1% >>>>> accurate, >>>>> that is 52 feet of uncertainty in a mile. So you shoot both ends and then >>>>> extrapolate the center of overlap or gap. >>>>> >>>>> Pray, dig, cut, test, splice, pray, dig, cuts, test, splice. Repeat >>>>> until you get there. After some time you will have it bracketed and many >>>>> times you just replace 1000’ instead of actually finding and fixing the >>>>> problem. >>>>> >>>>> All the while customers are very unhappy. I have had it take a week >>>>> to fix very long remote troubles like this. >>>>> >>>>> *From:* Colin Stanners >>>>> *Sent:* Saturday, December 22, 2018 9:56 AM >>>>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group >>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 10 mile fiber >>>>> >>>>> We also usually install a second duct on all major routes. >>>>> >>>>> Chuck, with your long career, I assume that you've had a few cases >>>>> where direct burial took a long time/difficulties to fix? >>>>> >>>>> Now working in the long-distance/underground industry, doing all the >>>>> planning and permitting, I've seen our guys pull up things - including a >>>>> boulder the size of a car - from the ground so that they could get that >>>>> conduit through. >>>>> >>>>> On Sat, Dec 22, 2018 at 10:48 AM Chuck McCown <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> I never do direct burial any more. Not even on drops. Generally I >>>>> install an extra duct, I like duralines future path products if I can >>>>> justify the expense. I need to learn how to install microduct into >>>>> regular >>>>> duct. I am sure I can pull it but I would like to figure out how to blow >>>>> it. >>>>> >>>>> *From:* Colin Stanners >>>>> *Sent:* Saturday, December 22, 2018 9:42 AM >>>>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group >>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 10 mile fiber >>>>> >>>>> I try hard to steer clear of direct-burying cable, which is much >>>>> easier to damage and extremely time-consuming to repair, unless it's a >>>>> non-crucial line (e.g. standard residential customer, although those we >>>>> currently put in conduit as well, to keep future risk and repair costs >>>>> low). >>>>> >>>>> If this customer is paying 1/4 million to get a line installed, it's >>>>> probably crucial. One day when that line gets hit, if it's in conduit it's >>>>> likely possible to get it repaired within hours to a day. I've even heard >>>>> of cases of the fiber surviving a conduit-line hit since it's "loose" >>>>> inside the conduit and has slack at the ends. If a direct-buried line gets >>>>> hit, especially next to a road etc, it may be needed to get locates, >>>>> arrange a drill, electrical/gas line safety watch, etc, possibly even >>>>> arrange more permitting for a new vault, which will often move time to >>>>> repair to days or a week+. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Sat, Dec 22, 2018 at 9:28 AM Chris Fabien <[email protected]> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Steve in our area we could do that "on the cheap" with 12 or 24 count >>>>> cable direct buried for around 100k. There are so many variables though. >>>>> You really need someone who has done work in that area and is familiar >>>>> with >>>>> permitting costs and requirements. I'd it's so rural that you can plow the >>>>> bulk of it and you are OK with direct bury you can save a ton of money vs >>>>> putting it all in duct. >>>>> >>>>> Personally I run at least 24 strands on any run that's going >>>>> "somewhere". Dead end runs can be 12F. >>>>> >>>>> On Sat, Dec 22, 2018, 1:46 AM Steve Jones <[email protected] >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> If a guy wanted to get fiber in the ground, non aerial between two >>>>> buildings to replace an existing licensed 1.3 gb link. Crosses 3 >>>>> creek/ditches, 10 rural intersections, 10 rural town blocks. 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