No way I would consider selling managed or hosted PBX service without also 
selling the origination/termination.   You ARE going to get blamed for every 
call that gets dropped or distorted.   You *have* to have control over that if 
you want to succeed.    It took us a long time to get comfortable even thinking 
about selling services off-network.  You really don’t want to do that until you 
have all the skills in place to be able to support and troubleshoot both on and 
off network.

Mark

> On Apr 6, 2019, at 10:49 PM, Lewis Bergman <[email protected]> wrote:
> 
> Why would you is the question. The majority of the money is in the 
> origination and termination. I don't think you could compete in the space 
> without offering it.
> 
> On Sat, Apr 6, 2019 at 9:31 PM Daniel White <[email protected] 
> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
> Yes you can do it and we do offer that to some ISP's that would rather 
> provider their own origination and termination.  For the most part, our bulk 
> pricing though beats what an individual ISP can purchase.
> 
> As long as you do not provide an interconnection to the PSTN, there isn't any 
> regulatory burden.
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> Matt Hoppes wrote on 4/6/19 12:53:
>> Exactly my thought. You’d connect them to the termination providers who 
>> would bill them directly. 
>> 
>> On Apr 6, 2019, at 14:28, David Thake <[email protected] 
>> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
>> 
>>> You can certainly sell Cloud PBX without origination and termination.
>>> 
>>> The sip trunk and DID could be sourced by the client from another SIP 
>>> provider while you just handle the PBX setup and maintenance whilst getting 
>>> a commission from the sip trunk provider perhaps... It really depends what 
>>> you want to do.
>>> <DAVID.png>
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On 6 Apr 2019, at 20:25, Ken Hohhof <[email protected] 
>>>> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> I don't understand how you would sell managed cloud PBX without 
>>>> origination and termination, seems like it would be part of the package.
>>>> 
>>>> If you bill them, and they can make calls to/from the PSTN via the service 
>>>> you sell them, I believe that makes you an interconnected VoIP provider.
>>>> 
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: AF <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> On 
>>>> Behalf Of Matt Hoppes
>>>> Sent: Saturday, April 6, 2019 12:56 PM
>>>> To: [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
>>>> Subject: [AFMUG] Selling managed PBX vs phone line
>>>> 
>>>> Is there any difference?
>>>> 
>>>> I know if you sell voip phone lines you have to file 499s and a bunch of 
>>>> other things. 
>>>> 
>>>> If you’re selling a managed PBX in the cloud to a business customer does 
>>>> that still make you a voip provider?  Or only if they don’t have their own 
>>>> termination provider and you’re doing the termination for them?
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