Good chucks rules said nothing about fights to the death. But also bad
chuck isnt really u@#t, hes air fiber. That's kind of like an imitation
veggie burger made of beef.

On Thu, Jan 7, 2021, 9:21 PM Mathew Howard <[email protected]> wrote:

> Is that allowed?
>
> On Thu, Jan 7, 2021, 9:03 PM Chuck Macenski <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> I give up (I am too old slow to be involved in a dual)
>>
>> On Thu, Jan 7, 2021 at 8:44 PM Steve Jones <[email protected]>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Sorry good chuck, but bad chuck is spitting fighting words. Its come to
>>> a duel
>>>
>>> On Thu, Jan 7, 2021, 7:13 PM Chuck McCown via AF <[email protected]>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> LENT!
>>>>
>>>> *From:* Chuck Macenski
>>>> *Sent:* Thursday, January 7, 2021 6:01 PM
>>>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: FB
>>>>
>>>> UBNT UBNT UBNT UBNT
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Jan 7, 2021 at 5:12 PM Mark - Myakka Technologies <
>>>> [email protected]> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I hated sociology when I was in college, but had to take it.  I think
>>>>> sociology now would be fascinating.  Think about how far we have degraded
>>>>> as a society.  Of all people, the people on this list should not be
>>>>> surprised of where we are at.
>>>>>
>>>>> There has always been conspiracy theories.  Bigfoot, Area 51, JFK,
>>>>> etc.  But in the pre-internet days, you really had to want to be a
>>>>> conspiracy person to get sucked in.  You had to subscribe to magazines, 
>>>>> you
>>>>> had to find books at the store or library.  You really had to be dedicated
>>>>> to that conspiracy.  Most considered them urban legends, only a few took
>>>>> the deep dive.  It also helped that 99% of the news was centralized.  You
>>>>> watched a certain channel because you liked the person doing the reporting
>>>>> , not the news itself.  If there was spin, it was mostly all spun in the
>>>>> same direction.
>>>>>
>>>>> Then came the Internet.  Now we have BBS and chat rooms where these
>>>>> conspiracy people can virtually meet.  Still not an issue because a
>>>>> majority of the population is still getting their news from a centralized
>>>>> place.  CNN at this point was still main stream and in inline with the
>>>>> networks.
>>>>>
>>>>> Then AOL comes along and everyone starts getting on the Internet.
>>>>> Things start getting a little worst.  Remember Bonsai Kitten.  Hey, its on
>>>>> the Internet so it is true.  Forums start popping up, some people start
>>>>> building their own websites, e-mail is becoming more popular.  It's dial
>>>>> up, still takes a lot of work to get involved with the conspiracy guys.
>>>>> But now you have a bit easier access to the rabbit hole.  Most news is
>>>>> still consumed via TV and Newspapers.  Most events are still reported
>>>>> accurately.
>>>>>
>>>>> Then dedicated always on Internet shows up along with social media.
>>>>> This begins the downward spiral.  No more dial up.  You can create any 
>>>>> type
>>>>> of bat shit crazy FB group/page.  You can post any type of video on
>>>>> youtube.  Now that rabbit hole is getting easier to navigate.  You can
>>>>> start blogging or vlogging.  You can setup websites via godaddy in a few
>>>>> clicks.  More people are starting to get their news via the Internet.  The
>>>>> news organizations start seeing this and begin their presence online.  
>>>>> News
>>>>> is starting to get a bit more blurry as some of these virtual news
>>>>> organizations start competing with the old timers.
>>>>>
>>>>> Then we get smart phones, snapchat, instagram, etc.  Now we have
>>>>> access to that rabbit hole wherever we are.  There is almost zero effort
>>>>> needed to make a post to social media.  Anyone with a selfie stick and a
>>>>> smart phone is now a reporter.  Virtual "news" channels streamed from
>>>>> someones basement are now on ROKU or FireStick.  There is no more
>>>>> centralize news.  Everything is an opinion story.  Old school news outlets
>>>>> have to stop being independent and start leaning one way or another to
>>>>> survive in the new age.  All that matters now is followers, eyeballs and 
>>>>> ad
>>>>> revenue.  Keep your eyeballs worked up as much as possible, so they come
>>>>> back or go deeper into the rabbit hole.
>>>>>
>>>>> As I said of all people, we on this list should not be surprised where
>>>>> we are as a country.  We watched this develop over the last 20+ years.
>>>>> Unfortunately, I really don't see how it gets better.  There was always
>>>>> some fringe groups out there, but now there is no such thing as fringe.
>>>>>
>>>>> Everyone has now been divided into tribes.  Red tribe, Blue tribe,
>>>>> LGQBT tribe, BLM tribe, Proud Boys tribe, Christian tribe, etc.  With
>>>>> social media we are now free to associated with only the people that agree
>>>>> with us.  We surround ourselves with yes men.  We rarely hear "The Rest of
>>>>> the Story".  Our believes are confirmed and reinforced each and every day
>>>>> until we are willing to die for them.  Chris Rock in the movie Dogma had a
>>>>> great quote "I just think it's better to have an idea. You can change an
>>>>> idea; changing a belief is trickier. People die for it, people kill for 
>>>>> it."
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>> Mark                            mailto:[email protected]
>>>>>
>>>>> Myakka Technologies, Inc.
>>>>> www.Myakka.com
>>>>>
>>>>> ------
>>>>>
>>>>> Thursday, January 7, 2021, 2:37:53 PM, you wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> It seems like it should be pretty obvious to everyone at this point
>>>>> that no matter what is said on either side of these political issues that
>>>>> nothing is going to change the opinions and beliefs of people on the other
>>>>> side.  No matter how much “proof” either side has to show that they are
>>>>> right, no one is going to change their opinion.  I suppose there are 
>>>>> always
>>>>> some people who straddle the fence (just watch out if you slip and it’s a
>>>>> picket or razor blade fence you’re straddling!) and might be swayed by
>>>>> something they see, but the reality is that nothing is gained by anyone by
>>>>> these conversations on a list like this.  In fact, much is lost……..
>>>>> hopefully those that unsubscribed will come back.  Personally, as long as
>>>>> political discussions don’t get so vicious as they’ve been at times, I 
>>>>> find
>>>>> many of them entertaining.  Overall though they seem to have caused more
>>>>> damage to this group than any benefit they’ve ever given.
>>>>>
>>>>> *From:* AF <[email protected]> *On Behalf Of *Chuck McCown via
>>>>> AF
>>>>> *Sent:* Thursday, January 7, 2021 1:24 PM
>>>>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <[email protected]>
>>>>> *Cc:* Chuck McCown <[email protected]>
>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: FB
>>>>>
>>>>> I could argue number of people involved, number of days in protest,
>>>>> number or people hurt, number of cops hurt, $ of damage done etc etc and
>>>>> compare the two by the numbers.
>>>>>
>>>>> Pretty sure I am right.  Just crunch the numbers.  There is no “side”
>>>>> to simple counting of participants times time.
>>>>>
>>>>> But to you my comment “one sided inflammatory BS” .
>>>>>
>>>>> Sorry I offered ANY opinion or commentary.
>>>>> My comment came very late in the day, the political argument started
>>>>> far earlier.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> *From:* Carl Peterson
>>>>> *Sent:* Thursday, January 7, 2021 12:14 PM
>>>>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: FB
>>>>>
>>>>> Chuck,
>>>>>
>>>>> I know it is your list and your rules, but you can't say crap like
>>>>> "The DC crap today does not hold a candle in magnitude to the Portland and
>>>>> Seattle crap largely done by the other side.  Give and take."  and not
>>>>> expect it to start a political argument.  I think you are abundantly and
>>>>> dangerously wrong about that but I'm (mostly) holding my tongue.  We can't
>>>>> have a list where one sided inflammatory BS like that is allowed but
>>>>> countering it is not.   We either allow political discussions, which I'm
>>>>> fine with, or we make a no politics rule.  The latter seems to be the best
>>>>> option as there are too many brilliant minds who we will lose if we keep 
>>>>> it
>>>>> up.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, Jan 6, 2021 at 4:37 PM Chuck McCown via AF <[email protected]>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Sorry.  I don’t want to go back to the days of lent, but we have to
>>>>> remain civil to do so.
>>>>>
>>>>> The DC crap today does not hold a candle in magnitude to the Portland
>>>>> and Seattle crap largely done by the other side.  Give and take.
>>>>>
>>>>> Folks wanna blow off steam.  It will be history tomorrow.
>>>>>
>>>>> No need to pollute our list here with that energy, from either side.
>>>>>
>>>>> *From:* Steve Jones
>>>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, January 6, 2021 3:32 PM
>>>>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: FB
>>>>>
>>>>> youre no fun dad
>>>>>
>>>>> Lent?
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, Jan 6, 2021 at 4:31 PM Chuck McCown via AF <[email protected]>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Kill thread.  We had been well behaved but nobody wants to see a bunch
>>>>> of F words in a subject line.  There have been complaints.
>>>>>
>>>>> *From:* Mathew Howard
>>>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, January 6, 2021 3:23 PM
>>>>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Fucking Bullshit
>>>>>
>>>>> That's the real problem. I've come to the conclusion that almost no
>>>>> so-called news having anything to do with politics is honest or reliable,
>>>>> no matter which side it comes from. Almost all of it is slanted (if not
>>>>> outright dishonest) to either fit their own view or manipulate their
>>>>> consumers into supporting a particular agenda. Unfortunately, there seems
>>>>> to be very little that can be done to fix it.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, Jan 6, 2021 at 4:17 PM Craig House <[email protected]>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> " a nugget of truth with a layer of bullshit on top"  Is exactly how I
>>>>> take every bit of news from every outlet on every station.   It is even
>>>>> more the case when the source is a politician or anyone with a political
>>>>> agenda.  This includes most of the people on this list.   Very few on
>>>>> either side can really provide an objective argument on politics today.
>>>>> I'd include myself in that group therefore I tend to just delete or not
>>>>> reply to these group messages because it only furthers the divide.   I
>>>>> honestly dont see any long term solution to the divide we have today.
>>>>> Mainstream media isn't going to help.  Congress isn't going to help and
>>>>> Trump isn't going to help.  Neither is anyone's opinion on this list
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>> *From: *"Adam Moffett" <[email protected]>
>>>>> *To: *"AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" <[email protected]>
>>>>> *Sent: *Wednesday, January 6, 2021 4:09:22 PM
>>>>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT: Fucking Bullshit
>>>>>
>>>>> Look at the evidence closely and in each case you'll find a nugget of
>>>>> truth with a layer of bullshit on top.  That so many people are so
>>>>> thoroughly fooled by it is the most distressing part.  Look closer.  Stop
>>>>> being a fool.
>>>>> The "coup" is when the loser thinks he can win by pretending hard
>>>>> enough.
>>>>>
>>>>> On 1/6/2021 5:05 PM, justsumname wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> an election that is not conducted according to law is not an
>>>>> election.   it's a coup.
>>>>> Worse... if the 'election' is not transparent, verifiable, and treats
>>>>> every voter the same, it's not an "election".
>>>>> Worse ... if poll watchers are bullied and physically threatened...
>>>>> that is intolerable.
>>>>>
>>>>> hereistheevidence.com   --- in case you dare open your mind to truth
>>>>>
>>>>> Patton was correct, and so was that McCarthy guy, who was probably a
>>>>> commie plant because he did a great job discrediting 'his' message.
>>>>>
>>>>> All that is left is communism or war.   That was the plan all along
>>>>> and only 'crazy' people  -- and people who escaped communist societies to
>>>>> come warn us -- saw it or believed in it.
>>>>>
>>>>> I'll sign off with this, because this is probably The End:
>>>>>
>>>>> “In my study of communist societies, I came to the conclusion that the
>>>>> purpose of communist propaganda was not to persuade or convince, not to
>>>>> inform, but to humiliate; and therefore, the less it corresponded to
>>>>> reality the better. When people are forced to remain silent when they are
>>>>> being told the most obvious lies, or even worse when they are forced to
>>>>> repeat the lies themselves, they lose once and for all their sense of
>>>>> probity. To assent to obvious lies is...in some small way to become evil
>>>>> oneself. One's standing to resist anything is thus eroded, and even
>>>>> destroyed. A society of emasculated liars is easy to control. I think if
>>>>> you examine political correctness, it has the same effect and is intended
>>>>> to.” ~ Theodore Dalrymple
>>>>>
>>>>> You arrogant asses, you've killed us!
>>>>> --
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, Jan 6, 2021 at 4:30 PM Steve Jones <[email protected]>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> go drink some tecate, youre losing your mind
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, Jan 6, 2021 at 3:26 PM Jaime Solorza <
>>>>> [email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Did you just hear his tweeter video bullshit? Fuck Trump... Kruchev
>>>>> predicted it... Trump enabled it.
>>>>>
>>>>> Go ahead and get off this list
>>>>> Fuck Trump and his Trumpicans...
>>>>> This is an Insurrection..Rudy called for trial by combat, Trump said
>>>>> it was going to be wild ...
>>>>> So fuck them to hell.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, Jan 6, 2021, 2:11 PM Steve Jones <[email protected]>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> IKR, slides biden is demanding potus go on national TV to quell it,
>>>>> unlike during the biden obama administration when he didnt demand the 
>>>>> same.
>>>>> god this is funny. sad they havent shot more of these mopes today and
>>>>> historically
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, Jan 6, 2021 at 2:50 PM Jaime Solorza <
>>>>> [email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> WTF...third world country tactics...
>>>>> Insurrection...
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