....Also be sure to count how many pipe bombs were planted at party offices, how many guns were confiscated by police, how many coolers filled with molotov cocktails, how many US presidents encourage the action, how many national capitols were broken into, how much mail was stolen from senator's desks, etc.

If we're talking about number of people hurt, $ of damage, etc, then none of it even holds a candle to Los Angeles 1992.  In LA they did several times more damage in one week than was done in Portland over a few months.

But are these comparisons actually useful or informative? Or are they just efforts to downplay bad behavior?


On 1/7/2021 2:23 PM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote:
I could argue number of people involved, number of days in protest, number or people hurt, number of cops hurt, $ of damage done etc etc and compare the two by the numbers. Pretty sure I am right.  Just crunch the numbers.  There is no “side” to simple counting of participants times time.
But to you my comment “one sided inflammatory BS” .
Sorry I offered ANY opinion or commentary.
My comment came very late in the day, the political argument started far earlier.
*From:* Carl Peterson
*Sent:* Thursday, January 7, 2021 12:14 PM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: FB
Chuck,
I know it is your list and your rules, but you can't say crap like "The DC crap today does not hold a candle in magnitude to the Portland and Seattle crap largely done by the other side.  Give and take." and not expect it to start a political argument.  I think you are abundantly and dangerously wrong about that but I'm (mostly) holding my tongue.  We can't have a list where one sided inflammatory BS like that is allowed but countering it is not.   We either allow political discussions, which I'm fine with, or we make a no politics rule.  The latter seems to be the best option as there are too many brilliant minds who we will lose if we keep it up. On Wed, Jan 6, 2021 at 4:37 PM Chuck McCown via AF <[email protected]> wrote:

    Sorry.  I don’t want to go back to the days of lent, but we have
    to remain civil to do so.
    The DC crap today does not hold a candle in magnitude to the
    Portland and Seattle crap largely done by the other side.  Give
    and take.
    Folks wanna blow off steam.  It will be history tomorrow.
    No need to pollute our list here with that energy, from either side.
    *From:* Steve Jones
    *Sent:* Wednesday, January 6, 2021 3:32 PM
    *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
    *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: FB
    youre no fun dad
    Lent?
    On Wed, Jan 6, 2021 at 4:31 PM Chuck McCown via AF
    <[email protected]> wrote:

        Kill thread.  We had been well behaved but nobody wants to see
        a bunch of F words in a subject line.  There have been
        complaints.
        *From:* Mathew Howard
        *Sent:* Wednesday, January 6, 2021 3:23 PM
        *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
        *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Fucking Bullshit
        That's the real problem. I've come to the conclusion that
        almost no so-called news having anything to do with politics
        is honest or reliable, no matter which side it comes from.
        Almost all of it is slanted (if not outright dishonest) to
        either fit their own view or manipulate their consumers into
        supporting a particular agenda. Unfortunately, there seems to
        be very little that can be done to fix it.
        On Wed, Jan 6, 2021 at 4:17 PM Craig House
        <[email protected]> wrote:

            " a nugget of truth with a layer of bullshit on top"  Is
            exactly how I take every bit of news from every outlet on
            every station.   It is even more the case when the source
            is a politician or anyone with a political agenda. This
            includes most of the people on this list.   Very few on
            either side can really provide an objective argument on
            politics today.  I'd include myself in that group
            therefore I tend to just delete or not reply to these
            group messages because it only furthers the divide.   I
            honestly dont see any long term solution to the divide we
            have today. Mainstream media isn't going to help. Congress
            isn't going to help and Trump isn't going to help. Neither
            is anyone's opinion on this list
            
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            *From: *"Adam Moffett" <[email protected]>
            *To: *"AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" <[email protected]>
            *Sent: *Wednesday, January 6, 2021 4:09:22 PM
            *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT: Fucking Bullshit

            Look at the evidence closely and in each case you'll find
            a nugget of truth with a layer of bullshit on top.  That
            so many people are so thoroughly fooled by it is the most
            distressing part. Look closer.  Stop being a fool.

            The "coup" is when the loser thinks he can win by
            pretending hard enough.

            On 1/6/2021 5:05 PM, justsumname wrote:

                an election that is not conducted according to law is
                not an election.   it's a coup.
                Worse... if the 'election' is not transparent,
                verifiable, and treats every voter the same, it's not
                an "election".
                Worse ... if poll watchers are bullied and physically
                threatened... that is intolerable.
                hereistheevidence.com <http://hereistheevidence.com>  
                --- in case you dare open your mind to truth
                Patton was correct, and so was that McCarthy guy, who
                was probably a commie plant because he did a great job
                discrediting 'his' message.
                All that is left is communism or war.   That was the
                plan all along and only 'crazy' people  -- and people
                who escaped communist societies to come warn us -- saw
                it or believed in it.
                I'll sign off with this, because this is probably The End:
                “In my study of communist societies, I came to the
                conclusion that the purpose of communist propaganda
                was not to persuade or convince, not to inform, but to
                humiliate; and therefore, the less it corresponded to
                reality the better. When people are forced to remain
                silent when they are being told the most obvious lies,
                or even worse when they are forced to repeat the lies
                themselves, they lose once and for all their sense of
                probity. To assent to obvious lies is...in some small
                way to become evil oneself. One's standing to resist
                anything is thus eroded, and even destroyed. A society
                of emasculated liars is easy to control. I think if
                you examine political correctness, it has the same
                effect and is intended to.” ~ Theodore Dalrymple
                You arrogant asses, you've killed us!
                --
                On Wed, Jan 6, 2021 at 4:30 PM Steve Jones
                <[email protected]> wrote:

                    go drink some tecate, youre losing your mind
                    On Wed, Jan 6, 2021 at 3:26 PM Jaime Solorza
                    <[email protected]> wrote:

                        Did you just hear his tweeter video bullshit?
                        Fuck Trump... Kruchev predicted it... Trump
                        enabled it.
                        Go ahead and get off this list
                        Fuck Trump and his Trumpicans...
                        This is an Insurrection..Rudy called for trial
                        by combat, Trump said it was going to be wild ...
                        So fuck them to hell.
                        On Wed, Jan 6, 2021, 2:11 PM Steve Jones
                        <[email protected]> wrote:

                            IKR, slides biden is demanding potus go on
                            national TV to quell it, unlike during the
                            biden obama administration when he didnt
                            demand the same. god this is funny. sad
                            they havent shot more of these mopes today
                            and historically
                            On Wed, Jan 6, 2021 at 2:50 PM Jaime
                            Solorza <[email protected]> wrote:

                                WTF...third world country tactics...
                                Insurrection...
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