Is that allowed? On Thu, Jan 7, 2021, 9:03 PM Chuck Macenski <[email protected]> wrote:
> I give up (I am too old slow to be involved in a dual) > > On Thu, Jan 7, 2021 at 8:44 PM Steve Jones <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> Sorry good chuck, but bad chuck is spitting fighting words. Its come to a >> duel >> >> On Thu, Jan 7, 2021, 7:13 PM Chuck McCown via AF <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> LENT! >>> >>> *From:* Chuck Macenski >>> *Sent:* Thursday, January 7, 2021 6:01 PM >>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group >>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: FB >>> >>> UBNT UBNT UBNT UBNT >>> >>> On Thu, Jan 7, 2021 at 5:12 PM Mark - Myakka Technologies < >>> [email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> I hated sociology when I was in college, but had to take it. I think >>>> sociology now would be fascinating. Think about how far we have degraded >>>> as a society. Of all people, the people on this list should not be >>>> surprised of where we are at. >>>> >>>> There has always been conspiracy theories. Bigfoot, Area 51, JFK, >>>> etc. But in the pre-internet days, you really had to want to be a >>>> conspiracy person to get sucked in. You had to subscribe to magazines, you >>>> had to find books at the store or library. You really had to be dedicated >>>> to that conspiracy. Most considered them urban legends, only a few took >>>> the deep dive. It also helped that 99% of the news was centralized. You >>>> watched a certain channel because you liked the person doing the reporting >>>> , not the news itself. If there was spin, it was mostly all spun in the >>>> same direction. >>>> >>>> Then came the Internet. Now we have BBS and chat rooms where these >>>> conspiracy people can virtually meet. Still not an issue because a >>>> majority of the population is still getting their news from a centralized >>>> place. CNN at this point was still main stream and in inline with the >>>> networks. >>>> >>>> Then AOL comes along and everyone starts getting on the Internet. >>>> Things start getting a little worst. Remember Bonsai Kitten. Hey, its on >>>> the Internet so it is true. Forums start popping up, some people start >>>> building their own websites, e-mail is becoming more popular. It's dial >>>> up, still takes a lot of work to get involved with the conspiracy guys. >>>> But now you have a bit easier access to the rabbit hole. Most news is >>>> still consumed via TV and Newspapers. Most events are still reported >>>> accurately. >>>> >>>> Then dedicated always on Internet shows up along with social media. >>>> This begins the downward spiral. No more dial up. You can create any type >>>> of bat shit crazy FB group/page. You can post any type of video on >>>> youtube. Now that rabbit hole is getting easier to navigate. You can >>>> start blogging or vlogging. You can setup websites via godaddy in a few >>>> clicks. More people are starting to get their news via the Internet. The >>>> news organizations start seeing this and begin their presence online. News >>>> is starting to get a bit more blurry as some of these virtual news >>>> organizations start competing with the old timers. >>>> >>>> Then we get smart phones, snapchat, instagram, etc. Now we have access >>>> to that rabbit hole wherever we are. There is almost zero effort needed to >>>> make a post to social media. Anyone with a selfie stick and a smart phone >>>> is now a reporter. Virtual "news" channels streamed from someones basement >>>> are now on ROKU or FireStick. There is no more centralize news. >>>> Everything is an opinion story. Old school news outlets have to stop being >>>> independent and start leaning one way or another to survive in the new >>>> age. All that matters now is followers, eyeballs and ad revenue. Keep >>>> your eyeballs worked up as much as possible, so they come back or go deeper >>>> into the rabbit hole. >>>> >>>> As I said of all people, we on this list should not be surprised where >>>> we are as a country. We watched this develop over the last 20+ years. >>>> Unfortunately, I really don't see how it gets better. There was always >>>> some fringe groups out there, but now there is no such thing as fringe. >>>> >>>> Everyone has now been divided into tribes. Red tribe, Blue tribe, >>>> LGQBT tribe, BLM tribe, Proud Boys tribe, Christian tribe, etc. With >>>> social media we are now free to associated with only the people that agree >>>> with us. We surround ourselves with yes men. We rarely hear "The Rest of >>>> the Story". Our believes are confirmed and reinforced each and every day >>>> until we are willing to die for them. Chris Rock in the movie Dogma had a >>>> great quote "I just think it's better to have an idea. You can change an >>>> idea; changing a belief is trickier. People die for it, people kill for >>>> it." >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Best regards, >>>> Mark mailto:[email protected] >>>> >>>> Myakka Technologies, Inc. >>>> www.Myakka.com >>>> >>>> ------ >>>> >>>> Thursday, January 7, 2021, 2:37:53 PM, you wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> It seems like it should be pretty obvious to everyone at this point >>>> that no matter what is said on either side of these political issues that >>>> nothing is going to change the opinions and beliefs of people on the other >>>> side. No matter how much “proof” either side has to show that they are >>>> right, no one is going to change their opinion. I suppose there are always >>>> some people who straddle the fence (just watch out if you slip and it’s a >>>> picket or razor blade fence you’re straddling!) and might be swayed by >>>> something they see, but the reality is that nothing is gained by anyone by >>>> these conversations on a list like this. In fact, much is lost…….. >>>> hopefully those that unsubscribed will come back. Personally, as long as >>>> political discussions don’t get so vicious as they’ve been at times, I find >>>> many of them entertaining. Overall though they seem to have caused more >>>> damage to this group than any benefit they’ve ever given. >>>> >>>> *From:* AF <[email protected]> *On Behalf Of *Chuck McCown via AF >>>> *Sent:* Thursday, January 7, 2021 1:24 PM >>>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <[email protected]> >>>> *Cc:* Chuck McCown <[email protected]> >>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: FB >>>> >>>> I could argue number of people involved, number of days in protest, >>>> number or people hurt, number of cops hurt, $ of damage done etc etc and >>>> compare the two by the numbers. >>>> >>>> Pretty sure I am right. Just crunch the numbers. There is no “side” >>>> to simple counting of participants times time. >>>> >>>> But to you my comment “one sided inflammatory BS” . >>>> >>>> Sorry I offered ANY opinion or commentary. >>>> My comment came very late in the day, the political argument started >>>> far earlier. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> *From:* Carl Peterson >>>> *Sent:* Thursday, January 7, 2021 12:14 PM >>>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group >>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: FB >>>> >>>> Chuck, >>>> >>>> I know it is your list and your rules, but you can't say crap like "The >>>> DC crap today does not hold a candle in magnitude to the Portland and >>>> Seattle crap largely done by the other side. Give and take." and not >>>> expect it to start a political argument. I think you are abundantly and >>>> dangerously wrong about that but I'm (mostly) holding my tongue. We can't >>>> have a list where one sided inflammatory BS like that is allowed but >>>> countering it is not. We either allow political discussions, which I'm >>>> fine with, or we make a no politics rule. The latter seems to be the best >>>> option as there are too many brilliant minds who we will lose if we keep it >>>> up. >>>> >>>> On Wed, Jan 6, 2021 at 4:37 PM Chuck McCown via AF <[email protected]> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Sorry. I don’t want to go back to the days of lent, but we have to >>>> remain civil to do so. >>>> >>>> The DC crap today does not hold a candle in magnitude to the Portland >>>> and Seattle crap largely done by the other side. Give and take. >>>> >>>> Folks wanna blow off steam. It will be history tomorrow. >>>> >>>> No need to pollute our list here with that energy, from either side. >>>> >>>> *From:* Steve Jones >>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, January 6, 2021 3:32 PM >>>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group >>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: FB >>>> >>>> youre no fun dad >>>> >>>> Lent? >>>> >>>> On Wed, Jan 6, 2021 at 4:31 PM Chuck McCown via AF <[email protected]> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Kill thread. We had been well behaved but nobody wants to see a bunch >>>> of F words in a subject line. There have been complaints. >>>> >>>> *From:* Mathew Howard >>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, January 6, 2021 3:23 PM >>>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group >>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Fucking Bullshit >>>> >>>> That's the real problem. I've come to the conclusion that almost no >>>> so-called news having anything to do with politics is honest or reliable, >>>> no matter which side it comes from. Almost all of it is slanted (if not >>>> outright dishonest) to either fit their own view or manipulate their >>>> consumers into supporting a particular agenda. Unfortunately, there seems >>>> to be very little that can be done to fix it. >>>> >>>> On Wed, Jan 6, 2021 at 4:17 PM Craig House <[email protected]> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> " a nugget of truth with a layer of bullshit on top" Is exactly how I >>>> take every bit of news from every outlet on every station. It is even >>>> more the case when the source is a politician or anyone with a political >>>> agenda. This includes most of the people on this list. Very few on >>>> either side can really provide an objective argument on politics today. >>>> I'd include myself in that group therefore I tend to just delete or not >>>> reply to these group messages because it only furthers the divide. I >>>> honestly dont see any long term solution to the divide we have today. >>>> Mainstream media isn't going to help. Congress isn't going to help and >>>> Trump isn't going to help. Neither is anyone's opinion on this list >>>> >>>> >>>> ------------------------------ >>>> *From: *"Adam Moffett" <[email protected]> >>>> *To: *"AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" <[email protected]> >>>> *Sent: *Wednesday, January 6, 2021 4:09:22 PM >>>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT: Fucking Bullshit >>>> >>>> Look at the evidence closely and in each case you'll find a nugget of >>>> truth with a layer of bullshit on top. That so many people are so >>>> thoroughly fooled by it is the most distressing part. Look closer. Stop >>>> being a fool. >>>> The "coup" is when the loser thinks he can win by pretending hard >>>> enough. >>>> >>>> On 1/6/2021 5:05 PM, justsumname wrote: >>>> >>>> an election that is not conducted according to law is not an >>>> election. it's a coup. >>>> Worse... if the 'election' is not transparent, verifiable, and treats >>>> every voter the same, it's not an "election". >>>> Worse ... if poll watchers are bullied and physically threatened... >>>> that is intolerable. >>>> >>>> hereistheevidence.com --- in case you dare open your mind to truth >>>> >>>> Patton was correct, and so was that McCarthy guy, who was probably a >>>> commie plant because he did a great job discrediting 'his' message. >>>> >>>> All that is left is communism or war. That was the plan all along and >>>> only 'crazy' people -- and people who escaped communist societies to come >>>> warn us -- saw it or believed in it. >>>> >>>> I'll sign off with this, because this is probably The End: >>>> >>>> “In my study of communist societies, I came to the conclusion that the >>>> purpose of communist propaganda was not to persuade or convince, not to >>>> inform, but to humiliate; and therefore, the less it corresponded to >>>> reality the better. When people are forced to remain silent when they are >>>> being told the most obvious lies, or even worse when they are forced to >>>> repeat the lies themselves, they lose once and for all their sense of >>>> probity. To assent to obvious lies is...in some small way to become evil >>>> oneself. One's standing to resist anything is thus eroded, and even >>>> destroyed. A society of emasculated liars is easy to control. I think if >>>> you examine political correctness, it has the same effect and is intended >>>> to.” ~ Theodore Dalrymple >>>> >>>> You arrogant asses, you've killed us! >>>> -- >>>> >>>> >>>> On Wed, Jan 6, 2021 at 4:30 PM Steve Jones <[email protected]> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> go drink some tecate, youre losing your mind >>>> >>>> On Wed, Jan 6, 2021 at 3:26 PM Jaime Solorza <[email protected]> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Did you just hear his tweeter video bullshit? Fuck Trump... Kruchev >>>> predicted it... Trump enabled it. >>>> >>>> Go ahead and get off this list >>>> Fuck Trump and his Trumpicans... >>>> This is an Insurrection..Rudy called for trial by combat, Trump said it >>>> was going to be wild ... >>>> So fuck them to hell. >>>> >>>> On Wed, Jan 6, 2021, 2:11 PM Steve Jones <[email protected]> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> IKR, slides biden is demanding potus go on national TV to quell it, >>>> unlike during the biden obama administration when he didnt demand the same. >>>> god this is funny. sad they havent shot more of these mopes today and >>>> historically >>>> >>>> On Wed, Jan 6, 2021 at 2:50 PM Jaime Solorza <[email protected]> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> WTF...third world country tactics... >>>> Insurrection... >>>> -- >>>> AF mailing list >>>> [email protected] >>>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com-- >>>> AF mailing list >>>> [email protected] >>>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com-- >>>> AF mailing list >>>> [email protected] >>>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com-- >>>> AF mailing list >>>> [email protected] >>>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >>>> >>>> -- >>>> AF mailing list >>>> [email protected] >>>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >>>> -- >>>> AF mailing list >>>> [email protected] >>>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >>>> ------------------------------ >>>> -- >>>> AF mailing list >>>> [email protected] >>>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >>>> -- >>>> AF mailing list >>>> [email protected] >>>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >>>> ------------------------------ >>>> -- >>>> AF mailing list >>>> [email protected] >>>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >>>> -- >>>> AF mailing list >>>> [email protected] >>>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Carl Peterson >>>> >>>> ------------------------------ >>>> -- >>>> AF mailing list >>>> [email protected] >>>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >>>> ------------------------------ >>>> *Total Control Panel* >>>> Login <https://asp.reflexion.net/login?domain=litewire.net> >>>> To: [email protected] >>>> <https://asp.reflexion.net/address-properties?aID=242260993&domain=litewire.net> >>>> From: [email protected] >>>> >>>> *You received this message because the domain afmug.com >>>> <http://afmug.com> is on your allow list.* >>>> -- >>>> AF mailing list >>>> [email protected] >>>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >>>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> -- >>> AF mailing list >>> [email protected] >>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >>> >>> -- >>> AF mailing list >>> [email protected] >>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >>> >> -- >> AF mailing list >> [email protected] >> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >> > -- > AF mailing list > [email protected] > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >
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