No matter what happens it is going to be a bit of fun to watch this play out in court. Lots of good opposing philosophical rhetoric to follow. Provides fodder for thought experiments.
Much more fun that the freaking election. I remember when Apple released this version of iOS and made somewhat of a big deal that even they could not crack it. That has been some time back. Perhaps a year? It was marketing then. It is pandering to a certain mentality now in my opinion. We can water-board a terrorist but his phone passcode is sacred? From: Mike Hammett Sent: Friday, February 19, 2016 6:15 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Apple Raw data breaks down and has a higher barrier to entry. Digital data does not break down and has a lower barrier to entry. ----- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Chuck McCown" <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Friday, February 19, 2016 7:11:39 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Apple Yeah, happens, but with Target too. It’s the world we live in. Do you trust Walmart or Amazon? This is not just a government type of thing. Was this malicious, or directed? It was probably an accident. And did this harm you? You can have my DNA if you visit anywhere I am. It literally leaps off your body in the form of skin cells etc. Sneeze, lick a stamp, take a dump or a piss. The local water and sewer department also have a DNA sample from you. Probably get blood type from that too. With a credit card and a few minutes I will have your SSN and all of these addresses. Have done it several times when searching for people. Fingerprints are all over my car and many other places. Why is it such an issue if it is digital data, but the raw data is not protected? From: Josh Reynolds Sent: Friday, February 19, 2016 6:05 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Apple The last time I trusted the federal government with something very important, they let my blood type, fingerprint, DNA, social security number, names numbers and addresses of relatives and friends, my wife's SSN, and all three of my kid's SSNs data get collected by a third party. Just an example. On Feb 19, 2016 7:01 PM, "Chuck McCown" <[email protected]> wrote: If I have a business in Tooele, Utah, I have to have “Knox Box” on the building with a key in it for the building. The fire department has a key for all the knox boxes. Is that much more invasive than unlocking your phone? Nobody is screaming about that. Happens in many cities. If you have windows in your house, anyone can punch one out and get into your house. But you all have windows. Cops can pull you over with probable cause now. Are you suggesting that if the code gets released in the wild cops are going to engage in an illegal search using this tool? If they are going to mess with you they will simply plant something on you. If this code gets into the wild and is abused in this nature, abut 50 milliseconds later there will be a new version of iOS that will not work with it. So, firemen can be trusted, right? More than the NSA? Drunken fireman buddy with a cop that wants to use the knox box key can be trusted? The IRS can put all my banking and financial in the cloud now as can my bank. A disgruntled employee is all it would take. The bank and the IRS are more trustworthy than the NSA? I don’t have any family pictures that I would be worried if they got published. I am just not catching this paranoid cynicism that seems to be attached to this issue. From: Travis Johnson Sent: Friday, February 19, 2016 5:36 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Apple What if this path continues, and in the future the police officer that just pulled you over for speeding, suspects you might be up to something else... so he then takes your phone, unlocks it from his car, downloads everything to his laptop, and then sends it off to be inspected? Do you want all your private information (banking, financial, family pictures, etc.) now "in the cloud" for anyone with access to see? Travis On 2/19/2016 5:23 PM, [email protected] wrote: What is wrong with the FBI having this ability?� How does that have a negative impact on me? I could argue that it has a positive benefit to the nation.� � From: Travis Johnson Sent: Friday, February 19, 2016 5:15 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Apple � I don't think that's the case.... do you really see the FBI turning the phone over to Apple? What happens if Apple comes back a week later and says "oops, sorry... we nuked it". The FBI wants Apple to write a new IOS version that will not erase the phone after 10 attempts at the login code. Then the FBI would load that onto the phone, and attempt to brute force the phone combo. At that point, the FBI could do that to any phone in the future as well. Apple is doing the right thing here. Travis On 2/19/2016 4:05 PM, George Skorup wrote: As I understand it, that is exactly what the gov is asking them for. FBI wants Apple to decrypt and send over the data. Nothing more. No "software on every phone" to do this. Just that ONE phone. Get the data, then incinerate the device. On 2/19/2016 4:59 PM, Nate Burke wrote: But they're not actually asking for a back door, are they?� They're just saying 'hey, we have this physical device, can we give it to you, and you get us the data off of it'?� I've got to think that the Engineers at apple have a way to do this thought up.� Although at the same time, If they're trying to unlock the phone, couldn't the Gov't with it's vast resources, just simply make a bit by bit copy of the flash chip in the phone and just go through and try every unlock code? On 2/19/2016 4:54 PM, Josh Reynolds wrote: Yup. Google agrees as well. On Feb 19, 2016 4:52 PM, "Sam Lambie" <[email protected]> wrote: Screw the govt. Apple is doing entirely doing the right thing. � On Fri, Feb 19, 2016 at 3:47 PM, Nate Burke <[email protected]> wrote: My Boss and I just had a discussion about this, he think that Cook should be in Jail for failing to comply with the order.� � On 2/19/2016 4:46 PM, Josh Reynolds wrote: ... What? Seriously? On Feb 19, 2016 4:44 PM, <[email protected]> wrote: Treason? -- -- Sam Lambie Taosnet Wireless Tech. 575-758-7598 Office www.Taosnet.com
