That is my issue with true treason; it isn't sufficiently punished. True treason should actually punished by death. That Navy shit that gave away everything only for a decade or so.
On Fri, Feb 19, 2016, 5:20 PM <[email protected]> wrote: > Imagine being caught with an Enigma Machine during WWII? Especially if > you were a known communist. > Do you think that would have played? Oh, I am just encrypting my data... > how dare you challenge me... > No, you would have gone to jail and possibly have been hanged. > > We never had these liberties until lately. Technology has given us new > liberties, we are not throwing existing liberties away, just controlling > the public’s access to potentially dangerous new technology. Stuff that > didn’t exist before. > > There is always regulatory lag in stuff like this. > > Like 3D printing a fully automatic weapon. How about 3D printing a > nuclear weapon or a biological weapon? New technology creates new > liberties. I don’t believe human rights incorporate the right to > automatically have free use of any new technology. > > Of course I can be trusted with all new technology, just not all you > guys.... > > *From:* Mathew Howard <[email protected]> > *Sent:* Friday, February 19, 2016 4:13 PM > *To:* af <[email protected]> > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Apple > Right, this isn't like they're asking for a backdoor so they can access > any iPhone remotely at any time... they have to physically have the device > for it to be of any use, which is something they've been doing for a long, > long time... and they probably will figure out how to do again without > Apples help, it would just be a lot easier and cheaper (and waste less tax > money) if Apple helped. > On Fri, Feb 19, 2016 at 5:10 PM, <[email protected]> wrote: > >> But it has been done thousands of times. FBI and NSA have been cracking >> for years. Just much more difficult these days. >> >> Seriously, what is the problem with our nation state being able to crack >> encrypted data? (Again presuming they have our best interests at heart and >> can be trusted, this is a theoretical discussion). What would I ever >> encrypt that I would have a problem with the NSA seeing? I cannot imagine >> needing strong encryption other than to keep folks out of my network and >> bank account. >> >> -----Original Message----- From: Christopher Tyler >> > Sent: Friday, February 19, 2016 4:08 PM > > >> To: [email protected] >> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Apple >> >> Problem is that once you do it. It's done and they can do it again, and >> again. If you think it will only ever get used on this ONE phone then you >> are delusional. >> >> -- >> Christopher Tyler >> MTCRE/MTCNA/MTCTCE/MTCWE >> Total Highspeed Internet Services >> 417.851.1107 >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "George Skorup" <[email protected]> >> To: [email protected] >> > Sent: Friday, February 19, 2016 5:05:38 PM >> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Apple >> >> As I understand it, that is exactly what the gov is asking them for. FBI >> wants Apple to decrypt and send over the data. Nothing more. No >> "software on every phone" to do this. Just that ONE phone. Get the data, >> then incinerate the device. >> >> On 2/19/2016 4:59 PM, Nate Burke wrote: >> > But they're not actually asking for a back door, are they?� They're >>> just saying 'hey, we have this physical device, can we give it to you, >>> and you get us the data off of it'?� I've got to think that the >>> Engineers at apple have a way to do this thought up.� >>> >>> Although at the same time, If they're trying to unlock the phone, >>> couldn't the Gov't with it's vast resources, just simply make a bit by >>> bit copy of the flash chip in the phone and just go through and try >>> every unlock code? >>> >>> On 2/19/2016 4:54 PM, Josh Reynolds wrote: >>> >> >>>> Yup. Google agrees as well. >>>> >>>> On Feb 19, 2016 4:52 PM, "Sam Lambie" <[email protected] >>>> >>> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Screw the govt. Apple is doing entirely doing the right thing. >>>> >>>> On Fri, Feb 19, 2016 at 3:47 PM, Nate Burke <[email protected] >>>> >>> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >>>> >>>> My Boss and I just had a discussion about this, he think that >>>> Cook should be in Jail for failing to comply with the order.� >>>> >>>> On 2/19/2016 4:46 PM, Josh Reynolds wrote: >>>> >>> >>>>> ... What? >>>>> >>>>> Seriously? >>>>> >>>>> On Feb 19, 2016 4:44 PM, <[email protected] >>>>> >>>> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Treason? >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- -- *Sam Lambie* >>>> Taosnet Wireless Tech. >>>> 575-758-7598 <tel:575-758-7598> Office >>>> www.Taosnet.com <http://www.newmex.com> >>>> >>>>
