Same here.

My wife was run off the road, rolled an Explorer, wound up with stitches in her 
arm where she snapped the door lock off.

Other than that, just made her dislike wreck scenes in movies if the camera is 
in the car.



From: Chuck McCown 
Sent: Saturday, February 20, 2016 11:14 AM
To: [email protected] 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Apple

Wear your seat belt.  My wife is still with me due to a seat belt.  

From: Sean Heskett 
Sent: Saturday, February 20, 2016 10:12 AM
To: [email protected] 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Apple

Too bad we don't give as much attention, publicity, and funding to prevent ways 
that people actually die. 

http://m.livescience.com/3780-odds-dying.html

Way more likely to die from heart disease, cancer or a car accident.  Terrorist 
attack didn't even register on their list, it's lumped in with "all other"

If we could only improve car safety a little bit we would instantly save more 
lives then all terrorist attacks on US soil ever!  

But it's way more exciting for our government to rule by fear :-/

-Sean 

On Friday, February 19, 2016, Bill Prince <[email protected]> wrote:

  The flip side of this coin is the FBI trying this in the court of public 
opinion.

  I say it's a publicity stunt by the FBI.

  Fear Fear Fear. 

  That's what they're selling these days, and I haven't been buying tehy 
b**sh*t since 9/11.


bp
<part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>

On 2/19/2016 6:58 PM, Mathew Howard wrote:

    True, getting it decided in the courts is the best outcome.


    I'm still not convinced that this is anything more than a publicity stunt 
on Apples side. If Apple has the ability to create a way to unlock it, and they 
haven't said that they can't do it, how is that any different from them already 
having it? And why is it any better for Apple to have the ability to crack 
iPhones than the FBI? Now, I certainly don't trust the government, but they've 
pretty much always had the ability to look at anything and everything we have 
in this sort of an investigation. 

    This is basically the equivalent of the FBI finding a safe with a built in 
safe that has a built in self destruct feature and telling the company that 
built it to disable the self destruct, so they can try cracking it... they 
aren't asking them to put a camera in every safe they build so that they can 
look inside whenever they want, which is what a lot of people seem to be making 
this out to be.
     


    On Fri, Feb 19, 2016 at 8:26 PM, Chuck Macenski 
<javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','[email protected]');> wrote:

      WIthout taking a public position one way or the other, this need to be 
settled in the courts so that we all have some idea of what rights we do or do 
not have; we should not be required to guess about what the government can and 
can't do; if we can't be trusted to know what the government can do, then it 
can be argued that we have no rights. I am reminded of the national security 
letters which are arguably unconstitutional, but, any attempt to present that 
argument to the judicial branch can result in your imprisonment. 


      my 2 cents

      On Fri, Feb 19, 2016 at 8:21 PM, Brian Webster 
<javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','[email protected]');> wrote:

        Ok I will bite to keep the thread moving. 



        Ponder this thought:



        Executive branch has the ability to direct the NSA to do domestic 
spying, may not be legal but they do it anyway. This includes spying on members 
of congress. 



        We know politicians all have skeletons in their closets, makes them 
ripe for extortion and such. Executive branch uses the NSA to gather all these 
bits of juicy data that incriminates ANY and ALL politicians.



        Every time a critical vote in congress comes up, they study where the 
swing votes may be, then all you do in threaten to disclose any of these juicy 
details the NSA has gathered. End result is the vote goes the way you need it 
to.



        As the executive branch you use this power and tactic very carefully 
and sparingly so as not to raise suspicions or to cause legislative revolt.



        The public does not worry about this because they have the protection 
of the Supreme Court and the balance of powers.



        Then you think, but what if the executive branch does this to the 
judges too…………………



        This level of power is something that once discovered would never be 
given up, it’s just too handy and powerful, no matter which party the executive 
may be from.



        Absolute power corrupts absolutely.



        Thank You,

        Brian Webster

        www.wirelessmapping.com

        www.Broadband-Mapping.com



        From: Af [mailto:javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','[email protected]');] 
On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
        Sent: Friday, February 19, 2016 9:03 PM
        To: javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','[email protected]');
        Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Apple



        Yeah, I was being a troll when I started the thread.  I knew it would 
get some traction.  Tushar was right, I was bored.  



        From: Jaime Solorza 

        Sent: Friday, February 19, 2016 7:01 PM

        To: Animal Farm 

        Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Apple



        Hire a high school get to open phone.  Geezh

        On Feb 19, 2016 3:45 PM, 
<javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','[email protected]');> wrote:

        Treason?




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