I think we should all have a tiny MSR reactor buried in our back yards.
On Fri, Apr 1, 2016 at 10:21 AM Bill Prince <[email protected]> wrote:
> I believe that people are not arguing that electric vehicles are the
> be-all end-all argument today. I believe what they're arguing is that they
> work for a large number of people in some circumstances.
>
> If you are a long-distance commuter, or a traveling salesman, then nope,
> not a great idea. But if you're an urban commuter going 100 to 200 miles
> round trip per day, it might be an entirely different answer.
>
> And yes. lithium disposal might be a problem. Today. On the other hand,
> there might already be a good way to recycle the lithium from old
> batteries. Tomorrow, or next year, or a decade from now, we might be using
> an entirely different storage medium. Sulfur anyone?
>
>
> bp
> <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
>
>
> On 4/1/2016 8:15 AM, Lewis Bergman wrote:
>
> First, I think electric is great for those it works for. It just won't
> work out here in west Texas. Second, if less pollution is the reason I
> guess the pollution of the battery pack isn't considered? I have to think
> that would be a pretty significant deal. I don't know how much but I have
> to dispose of LiIon batteries every day to some special center. No idea why
> but I guess lithium in Jaimie's whater isn't appreciated like it used to
> be. I would think that for places with heavy urban traffic and lots of
> traffic jams they would be ideal. NY, Chicago, DC, etc.
>
> On Fri, Apr 1, 2016 at 10:07 AM Ken Hohhof <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> 30 minutes to recharge seems problematic for long distance trips. Need
>> battery swap.
>>
>> http://www.wsj.com/articles/tesla-owners-frustrated-by-recharge-waits-1435690694
>>
>> And which type of vehicle is best in a post-apocalyptic world? I don’t
>> see electric vehicles in Mad Max movies (except for the guitar guy who
>> obviously has some form of electric power available). The best solution
>> would seem to be the Mr. Fusion powered DeLorean from Back to the Future.
>> We will never run out of garbage.
>>
>>
>> *From:* Simon Westlake <[email protected]>
>> *Sent:* Friday, April 01, 2016 9:41 AM
>> *To:* [email protected]
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Tesla Model 3... who else is getting one?
>> I would imagine that if we were designing cars from scratch today, using
>> a combustion engine definitely wouldn't be the choice. I can imagine the
>> outcry if the infrastructure plan for new vehicles was to ship explosive
>> fuel all around the country, to power vehicles that will emit huge amounts
>> of pollution versus having charging stations everywhere.
>>
>> On 4/1/2016 9:14 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:
>>
>> I read recently that in the US electric cars were considered the better
>> option in the early days (like 1890-1910). Then we found out Texas was
>> made out of oil and the economic argument went the other way.
>>
>> On 4/1/2016 9:54 AM, Bill Prince wrote:
>>
>> I honestly wouldn't get in line for one today. Tesla has never been "on
>> time", but they make decent cars when they cost around $100 grand. When
>> they're "giving them away" for $35,000, it may be a whole new ballgame.
>>
>> But the arguments for an electric car are getting better day by day. In
>> 18 months or so, they may tip over to the point of working for a majority
>> of buyers. I can wait until then to see how it works out.
>>
>> bp
>> <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
>>
>>
>> On 4/1/2016 6:50 AM, Josh Reynolds wrote:
>>
>> It does now...
>>
>> but can it blend?
>>
>> On Apr 1, 2016 7:29 AM, "Ken Hohhof" <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>> But does it have SFPs?
>>>
>>> *From:* Mike Hammett <[email protected]>
>>> *Sent:* Friday, April 01, 2016 7:17 AM
>>> *To:* [email protected]
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Tesla Model 3... who else is getting one?
>>>
>>>
>> Coal? Mine is mostly nuclear. I'd imagine for others it may be mostly
>>> hydro.
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>> *From: *"Josh Luthman" <[email protected]>
>>> *To: *[email protected]
>>> *Sent: *Thursday, March 31, 2016 11:36:49 PM
>>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Tesla Model 3... who else is getting one?
>>>
>>> Coal and oil are kind of the same source for energy.
>>>
>>> Josh Luthman
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>>>
>> On Apr 1, 2016 12:33 AM, "Chuck Hogg" <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>> At a pretty cheaper cost too.
>>>>
>>>
>>>> Regards,
>>>> Chuck
>>>>
>>>>
>>> On Fri, Apr 1, 2016 at 12:30 AM, Mike Hammett <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>
>>> You're just replacing a pump with a plug into a wall or charging
>>>>> station. No difference. Same actions, just different object.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
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>>>>>
>>>> *From: *"Chuck McCown" <[email protected]>
>>>>> *To: *[email protected]
>>>>> *Sent: *Thursday, March 31, 2016 11:28:36 PM
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Tesla Model 3... who else is getting one?
>>>>>
>>>>> But you don’t. That is the point. I have a charger at home and at
>>>>> work and at my other work. 3-5 seconds. None if you have a passenger do
>>>>> it for you...
>>>>>
>>>>> *From:* Mike Hammett <[email protected]>
>>>>> *Sent:* Thursday, March 31, 2016 10:25 PM
>>>>> *To:* [email protected]
>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Tesla Model 3... who else is getting one?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> You still have most of those hassles with electric. You still have them
>>>>> all if you're not at a free charging location.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
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>>>>>
>>>> *From: *"Chuck McCown" <[email protected]>
>>>>> *To: *[email protected]
>>>>> *Sent: *Thursday, March 31, 2016 11:17:50 PM
>>>>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Tesla Model 3... who else is getting one?
>>>>>
>>>>> Time it. You will be surprised. 5 minutes. Gotta drive in, park,
>>>>> get out, gas cap off, swipe card, wait for authentication, select fuel,
>>>>> wait for beep, put hose in, pull trigger. Wait a couple of minutes,
>>>>> reverse all of the above, stand in rain, snow gas fumes, noise.
>>>>>
>>>>> From the moment you leave the street to being back on the street 5
>>>>> minutes.
>>>>>
>>>>> And it costs you money!
>>>>>
>>>>> I charge with solar.
>>>>>
>>>>> *From:* Josh Luthman <[email protected]>
>>>>> *Sent:* Thursday, March 31, 2016 10:13 PM
>>>>> *To:* [email protected]
>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Tesla Model 3... who else is getting one?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> We drive past gas stations every day. It's what, 2 minutes?
>>>>>
>>>>> If you travel >200 miles your time table is screwed as you need to
>>>>> charge. Your route also can't be the scenic one.
>>>>>
>>>>> It costs more than my current car which I have today and I doubt it
>>>>> comes close in terms of comfort.
>>>>>
>>>>> Oh and the auto pilot doesn't try to hit oncoming traffic. That's a
>>>>> nice upside!
>>>>>
>>>>> Josh Luthman
>>>>> Office: 937-552-2340
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>>>>>
>>>>
