You're saying those problems are solved then. That makes sense.
Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Fri, Apr 1, 2016 at 11:14 AM, Simon Westlake <[email protected]> wrote: > Again, you're talking about the reality of this today. I don't disagree > that if you replaced every car on the road with an electric car today by > waving a magic wand, it would be a problem. But that wasn't my original > thought experiment. > > On 4/1/2016 10:11 AM, Josh Luthman wrote: > > Are you mindful of the increased load/demand on the power grid there? > > I know Ohio is more than half coal and last night I looked up that > Kentucky was 92% coal. So in the electric world we're taking fossil fuels > shipped to the power plant and then generating power (losing efficiency > here) and then delivering it to the car. Storing it is also inefficient. > > > Josh Luthman > Office: 937-552-2340 > Direct: 937-552-2343 > 1100 Wayne St > Suite 1337 > Troy, OH 45373 > > On Fri, Apr 1, 2016 at 11:06 AM, Simon Westlake <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> Well, I guess we will have to agree to disagree since neither of us have >> a crystal ball into an alternate reality which doesn't exist. My personal >> feeling is that if there was a clean slate, and the collective engineering >> might of all the car manufacturers and all the companies devoted to >> transporting and refining oil were instead focused on developing electric >> vehicles and the means to power them, we would have a different reality. >> >> On 4/1/2016 9:54 AM, Josh Luthman wrote: >> >> Being able to transport an entire car load of people without having to >> wait an hour between charges would be science fiction in a world where >> everyone all had electric cars. >> >> Good or bad is generally subjective, but when you're paying someone to >> sit and watch the battery meter go to full I think economically it would >> certainly be good to have cheap fuel and go versus cheaper electric and >> wait. >> >> >> Josh Luthman >> Office: 937-552-2340 >> Direct: 937-552-2343 >> 1100 Wayne St >> Suite 1337 >> Troy, OH 45373 >> >> On Fri, Apr 1, 2016 at 10:49 AM, Simon Westlake < <[email protected]> >> [email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Not sure if you're saying that's good or bad, I'm pretty sure the >>> infrastructure would be a solvable problem if it was a choice of that or >>> building an entire fuel supply infrastructure from scratch. >>> >>> On 4/1/2016 9:46 AM, Josh Luthman wrote: >>> >>> In that scenario... >>> >>> "Whoa you can go 500 miles and then recharge in 2 minutes to go another >>> 500 miles?! Over and over?!" >>> >>> Imagine if semi/cargo trucks were dependent on electric/charging. The >>> shipping industry would collapse. >>> >>> >>> Josh Luthman >>> Office: 937-552-2340 >>> Direct: 937-552-2343 >>> 1100 Wayne St >>> Suite 1337 >>> Troy, OH 45373 >>> >>> On Fri, Apr 1, 2016 at 10:41 AM, Simon Westlake < <[email protected]> >>> [email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> I would imagine that if we were designing cars from scratch today, >>>> using a combustion engine definitely wouldn't be the choice. I can imagine >>>> the outcry if the infrastructure plan for new vehicles was to ship >>>> explosive fuel all around the country, to power vehicles that will emit >>>> huge amounts of pollution versus having charging stations everywhere. >>>> >>>> On 4/1/2016 9:14 AM, Adam Moffett wrote: >>>> >>>> I read recently that in the US electric cars were considered the better >>>> option in the early days (like 1890-1910). Then we found out Texas was >>>> made out of oil and the economic argument went the other way. >>>> >>>> On 4/1/2016 9:54 AM, Bill Prince wrote: >>>> >>>> I honestly wouldn't get in line for one today. Tesla has never been "on >>>> time", but they make decent cars when they cost around $100 grand. When >>>> they're "giving them away" for $35,000, it may be a whole new ballgame. >>>> >>>> But the arguments for an electric car are getting better day by day. In >>>> 18 months or so, they may tip over to the point of working for a majority >>>> of buyers. I can wait until then to see how it works out. >>>> >>>> bp >>>> <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com> >>>> >>>> >>>> On 4/1/2016 6:50 AM, Josh Reynolds wrote: >>>> >>>> It does now... >>>> >>>> but can it blend? >>>> On Apr 1, 2016 7:29 AM, "Ken Hohhof" < <[email protected]>[email protected]> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> But does it have SFPs? >>>>> >>>>> *From:* Mike Hammett <[email protected]> >>>>> *Sent:* Friday, April 01, 2016 7:17 AM >>>>> *To:* <[email protected]>[email protected] >>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Tesla Model 3... who else is getting one? >>>>> >>>>> Coal? Mine is mostly nuclear. I'd imagine for others it may be mostly >>>>> hydro. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ----- >>>>> Mike Hammett >>>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> >>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> >>>>> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> >>>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> >>>>> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> >>>>> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> >>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> >>>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> >>>>> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> >>>>> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> >>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> >>>>> ------------------------------ >>>>> *From: *"Josh Luthman" < <[email protected]> >>>>> [email protected]> >>>>> *To: * <[email protected]>[email protected] >>>>> *Sent: *Thursday, March 31, 2016 11:36:49 PM >>>>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Tesla Model 3... who else is getting one? >>>>> >>>>> Coal and oil are kind of the same source for energy. >>>>> >>>>> Josh Luthman >>>>> Office: 937-552-2340 >>>>> Direct: 937-552-2343 >>>>> 1100 Wayne St >>>>> Suite 1337 >>>>> Troy, OH 45373 >>>>> On Apr 1, 2016 12:33 AM, "Chuck Hogg" < <[email protected]> >>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> At a pretty cheaper cost too. >>>>>> >>>>>> Regards, >>>>>> Chuck >>>>>> >>>>>> On Fri, Apr 1, 2016 at 12:30 AM, Mike Hammett < <[email protected]> >>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> You're just replacing a pump with a plug into a wall or charging >>>>>>> station. No difference. Same actions, just different object. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ----- >>>>>>> Mike Hammett >>>>>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> >>>>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> >>>>>>> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> >>>>>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> >>>>>>> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> >>>>>>> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> >>>>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> >>>>>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> >>>>>>> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> >>>>>>> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> >>>>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> >>>>>>> ------------------------------ >>>>>>> *From: *"Chuck McCown" < <[email protected]>[email protected]> >>>>>>> *To: * <[email protected]>[email protected] >>>>>>> *Sent: *Thursday, March 31, 2016 11:28:36 PM >>>>>>> >>>>>>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Tesla Model 3... who else is getting one? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> But you don’t. That is the point. I have a charger at home and at >>>>>>> work and at my other work. 3-5 seconds. None if you have a passenger >>>>>>> do >>>>>>> it for you... >>>>>>> >>>>>>> *From:* Mike Hammett <[email protected]> >>>>>>> *Sent:* Thursday, March 31, 2016 10:25 PM >>>>>>> *To:* <[email protected]>[email protected] >>>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Tesla Model 3... who else is getting one? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> You still have most of those hassles with electric. You still have >>>>>>> them all if you're not at a free charging location. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ----- >>>>>>> Mike Hammett >>>>>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> >>>>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> >>>>>>> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> >>>>>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> >>>>>>> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> >>>>>>> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> >>>>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> >>>>>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> >>>>>>> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> >>>>>>> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> >>>>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> >>>>>>> ------------------------------ >>>>>>> *From: *"Chuck McCown" < <[email protected]>[email protected]> >>>>>>> *To: * <[email protected]>[email protected] >>>>>>> *Sent: *Thursday, March 31, 2016 11:17:50 PM >>>>>>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Tesla Model 3... who else is getting one? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Time it. You will be surprised. 5 minutes. Gotta drive in, park, >>>>>>> get out, gas cap off, swipe card, wait for authentication, select fuel, >>>>>>> wait for beep, put hose in, pull trigger. Wait a couple of minutes, >>>>>>> reverse all of the above, stand in rain, snow gas fumes, noise. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> From the moment you leave the street to being back on the street 5 >>>>>>> minutes. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> And it costs you money! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I charge with solar. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> *From:* Josh Luthman <[email protected]> >>>>>>> *Sent:* Thursday, March 31, 2016 10:13 PM >>>>>>> *To:* <[email protected]>[email protected] >>>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Tesla Model 3... who else is getting one? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> We drive past gas stations every day. It's what, 2 minutes? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> If you travel >200 miles your time table is screwed as you need to >>>>>>> charge. Your route also can't be the scenic one. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> It costs more than my current car which I have today and I doubt it >>>>>>> comes close in terms of comfort. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Oh and the auto pilot doesn't try to hit oncoming traffic. That's a >>>>>>> nice upside! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Josh Luthman >>>>>>> Office: 937-552-2340 >>>>>>> Direct: 937-552-2343 >>>>>>> 1100 Wayne St >>>>>>> Suite 1337 >>>>>>> Troy, OH 45373 >>>>>>> On Apr 1, 2016 12:03 AM, "Chuck McCown" < <[email protected]> >>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Silent neck snapping acceleration and never stopping to gas up... >>>>>>>> If your daily trips are fairly short, you would only have to plug >>>>>>>> in once a week. >>>>>>>> There is nothing but upside here. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> *From:* Josh Luthman <[email protected]> >>>>>>>> *Sent:* Thursday, March 31, 2016 10:00 PM >>>>>>>> *To:* <[email protected]>[email protected] >>>>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Tesla Model 3... who else is getting one? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Even if it were 5 seconds that would be more time every two weeks >>>>>>>> than what I spend at a gas station. Then I have to pay for power >>>>>>>> anyway... >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Not a fan of the front end duck bill. The rear has too much >>>>>>>> Prius. Side looks great. Interior looked unfinished or space aged. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> 115k preorders for something you won't see in two years, though? >>>>>>>> Woof. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Josh Luthman >>>>>>>> Office: 937-552-2340 >>>>>>>> Direct: 937-552-2343 >>>>>>>> 1100 Wayne St >>>>>>>> Suite 1337 >>>>>>>> Troy, OH 45373 >>>>>>>> On Mar 31, 2016 11:34 PM, "Chuck McCown" < <[email protected]> >>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> It takes 5 seconds to plug in and you wave at every gas station as >>>>>>>>> you pass it. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> *From:* Josh Luthman <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>> *Sent:* Thursday, March 31, 2016 9:02 PM >>>>>>>>> *To:* <[email protected]>[email protected] >>>>>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Tesla Model 3... who else is getting one? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> No interest really. Plugging in every time I get home? Yuck. I >>>>>>>>> love the updates they do with the Model S and the API power is really >>>>>>>>> awesome, but I'm more for NA over boost, let alone electric. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I saw the website and thought "Who's going to preorder a car that >>>>>>>>> won't be announced for another hour?". IPhone users :P >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Josh Luthman >>>>>>>>> Office: 937-552-2340 >>>>>>>>> Direct: 937-552-2343 >>>>>>>>> 1100 Wayne St >>>>>>>>> Suite 1337 >>>>>>>>> Troy, OH 45373 >>>>>>>>> On Mar 31, 2016 10:57 PM, "Simon Westlake" <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>> <[email protected]> <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> One day! >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On 3/31/2016 9:54 PM, Chuck Hogg wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Gerard and I just put our pre-orders in..anyone else? >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Regards, >>>>>>>>>>> Chuck >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>> Simon Westlake >>>>>>>>>> Skype: Simon_Sonar >>>>>>>>>> Email: <[email protected]>[email protected] >>>>>>>>>> Phone: (702) 447-1247 >>>>>>>>>> --------------------------- >>>>>>>>>> Sonar Software Inc >>>>>>>>>> The next generation of ISP billing and OSS >>>>>>>>>> <https://sonar.software>https://sonar.software >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Simon Westlake >>>> Skype: Simon_Sonar >>>> Email: [email protected] >>>> Phone: (702) 447-1247 >>>> --------------------------- >>>> Sonar Software Inc >>>> The next generation of ISP billing and OSShttps://sonar.software >>>> >>>> >>> >>> -- >>> Simon Westlake >>> Skype: Simon_Sonar >>> Email: [email protected] >>> Phone: (702) 447-1247 >>> --------------------------- >>> Sonar Software Inc >>> The next generation of ISP billing and OSShttps://sonar.software >>> >>> >> >> -- >> Simon Westlake >> Skype: Simon_Sonar >> Email: [email protected] >> Phone: (702) 447-1247 >> --------------------------- >> Sonar Software Inc >> The next generation of ISP billing and OSShttps://sonar.software >> >> > > -- > Simon Westlake > Skype: Simon_Sonar > Email: [email protected] > Phone: (702) 447-1247 > --------------------------- > Sonar Software Inc > The next generation of ISP billing and OSShttps://sonar.software > >
