Re: [AFMUG] Tesla Model 3... who else is getting one?

Fri, 01 Apr 2016 08:15:17 -0700

Again, you're talking about the reality of this today. I don't disagree that if you replaced every car on the road with an electric car today by waving a magic wand, it would be a problem. But that wasn't my original thought experiment. 

On 4/1/2016 10:11 AM, Josh Luthman wrote:

Are you mindful of the increased load/demand on the power grid there?
I know Ohio is more than half coal and last night I looked up that Kentucky was 92% coal. So in the electric world we're taking fossil fuels shipped to the power plant and then generating power (losing efficiency here) and then delivering it to the car. Storing it is also inefficient. 


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On Fri, Apr 1, 2016 at 11:06 AM, Simon Westlake <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: 

    Well, I guess we will have to agree to disagree since neither of
    us have a crystal ball into an alternate reality which doesn't
    exist. My personal feeling is that if there was a clean slate, and
    the collective engineering might of all the car manufacturers and
    all the companies devoted to transporting and refining oil were
    instead focused on developing electric vehicles and the means to
    power them, we would have a different reality.

    On 4/1/2016 9:54 AM, Josh Luthman wrote:

    Being able to transport an entire car load of people without
    having to wait an hour between charges would be science fiction
    in a world where everyone all had electric cars.

    Good or bad is generally subjective, but when you're paying
    someone to sit and watch the battery meter go to full I think
    economically it would certainly be good to have cheap fuel and go
    versus cheaper electric and wait.


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    On Fri, Apr 1, 2016 at 10:49 AM, Simon Westlake
    <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:

        Not sure if you're saying that's good or bad, I'm pretty sure
        the infrastructure would be a solvable problem if it was a
        choice of that or building an entire fuel supply
        infrastructure from scratch.

        On 4/1/2016 9:46 AM, Josh Luthman wrote:

        In that scenario...

        "Whoa you can go 500 miles and then recharge in 2 minutes to
        go another 500 miles?!  Over and over?!"

        Imagine if semi/cargo trucks were dependent on
        electric/charging.  The shipping industry would collapse.


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        On Fri, Apr 1, 2016 at 10:41 AM, Simon Westlake
        <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:

            I would imagine that if we were designing cars from
            scratch today, using a combustion engine definitely
            wouldn't be the choice. I can imagine the outcry if the
            infrastructure plan for new vehicles was to ship
            explosive fuel all around the country, to power vehicles
            that will emit huge amounts of pollution versus having
            charging stations everywhere.

            On 4/1/2016 9:14 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:

            I read recently that in the US electric cars were
            considered the better option in the early days (like
            1890-1910).  Then we found out Texas was made out of
            oil and the economic argument went the other way.

            On 4/1/2016 9:54 AM, Bill Prince wrote:

            I honestly wouldn't get in line for one today. Tesla
            has never been "on time", but they make decent cars
            when they cost around $100 grand. When they're "giving
            them away" for $35,000, it may be a whole new ballgame.

            But the arguments for an electric car are getting
            better day by day. In 18 months or so, they may tip
            over to the point of working for a majority of buyers.
            I can wait until then to see how it works out.

            bp
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            On 4/1/2016 6:50 AM, Josh Reynolds wrote:


            It does now...

            but can it blend?

            On Apr 1, 2016 7:29 AM, "Ken Hohhof" <[email protected]
            <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:

                But does it have SFPs?
                *From:* Mike Hammett <mailto:[email protected]>
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                *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Tesla Model 3... who else
                is getting one?
                Coal? Mine is mostly nuclear. I'd imagine for
                others it may be mostly hydro.



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                *From: *"Josh Luthman"
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                *Sent: *Thursday, March 31, 2016 11:36:49 PM
                *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Tesla Model 3... who else
                is getting one?

                Coal and oil are kind of the same source for energy.

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                On Apr 1, 2016 12:33 AM, "Chuck Hogg"
                <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>>
                wrote:

                    At a pretty cheaper cost too.
                    Regards,
                    Chuck
                    On Fri, Apr 1, 2016 at 12:30 AM, Mike Hammett
                    <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>>
                    wrote:

                        You're just replacing a pump with a plug
                        into a wall or charging station. No
                        difference. Same actions, just different
                        object.



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                        *From: *"Chuck McCown" <[email protected]
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                        *Sent: *Thursday, March 31, 2016 11:28:36 PM

                        *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Tesla Model 3...
                        who else is getting one?

                        But you don’t.  That is the point. I have
                        a charger at home and at work and at my
                        other work. 3-5 seconds. None if  you
                        have a passenger do it for you...
                        *From:* Mike Hammett
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                        *Sent:* Thursday, March 31, 2016 10:25 PM
                        *To:* [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
                        *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Tesla Model 3...
                        who else is getting one?
                        You still have most of those hassles with
                        electric. You still have them all if
                        you're not at a free charging location.



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                        *From: *"Chuck McCown" <[email protected]
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                        *To: *[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
                        *Sent: *Thursday, March 31, 2016 11:17:50 PM
                        *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Tesla Model 3...
                        who else is getting one?

                        Time it. You will be surprised.  5
                        minutes. Gotta drive in, park, get out,
                        gas cap off, swipe card, wait for
                        authentication, select fuel, wait for
                        beep, put hose in, pull trigger. Wait a
                        couple of minutes, reverse all of the
                        above, stand in rain, snow gas fumes, noise.
                        From the moment you leave the street to
                        being back on the street 5 minutes.
                        And it costs you money!
                        I charge with solar.
                        *From:* Josh Luthman
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                        *Sent:* Thursday, March 31, 2016 10:13 PM
                        *To:* [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
                        *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Tesla Model 3...
                        who else is getting one?
We drive past gas stations every day. It's what, 2 minutes? 

                        If you travel >200 miles your time table
                        is screwed as you need to charge.  Your
                        route also can't be the scenic one.

                        It costs more than my current car which I
                        have today and I doubt it comes close in
                        terms of comfort.

                        Oh and the auto pilot doesn't try to hit
                        oncoming traffic. That's a nice upside!

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                        On Apr 1, 2016 12:03 AM, "Chuck McCown"
                        <[email protected]
                        <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:

                            Silent neck  snapping acceleration
                            and never stopping to gas up...
                            If your daily trips are fairly short,
                            you would only have to plug in once a
                            week.
                            There is nothing but upside here.
                            *From:* Josh Luthman
                            <mailto:[email protected]>
                            *Sent:* Thursday, March 31, 2016 10:00 PM
                            *To:* [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
                            *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Tesla Model
                            3... who else is getting one?

                            Even if it were 5 seconds that would
                            be more time every two weeks than
                            what I spend at a gas station.  Then
                            I have to pay for power anyway...

                            Not a fan of the front end duck
                            bill.  The rear has too much Prius.
                            Side looks great. Interior looked
                            unfinished or space aged.

                            115k preorders for something you
                            won't see in two years, though?  Woof.

                            Josh Luthman
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                            On Mar 31, 2016 11:34 PM, "Chuck
                            McCown" <[email protected]
                            <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:

                                It takes 5 seconds to plug in and
                                you wave at every gas station as
                                you pass it.
                                *From:* Josh Luthman
                                <mailto:[email protected]>
                                *Sent:* Thursday, March 31, 2016
                                9:02 PM
                                *To:* [email protected]
                                <mailto:[email protected]>
                                *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Tesla
                                Model 3... who else is getting one?

                                No interest really. Plugging in
                                every time I get home? Yuck.  I
                                love the updates they do with the
                                Model S and the API power is
                                really awesome, but I'm more for
                                NA over boost, let alone electric.

                                I saw the website and thought
                                "Who's going to preorder a car
                                that won't be announced for
                                another hour?". IPhone users :P

                                Josh Luthman
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                                On Mar 31, 2016 10:57 PM, "Simon
                                Westlake" <[email protected]>
                                <mailto:[email protected]> wrote:

                                    One day!

                                    On 3/31/2016 9:54 PM, Chuck
                                    Hogg wrote:

                                        Gerard and I just put our
                                        pre-orders in..anyone else?

                                        Regards,
                                        Chuck
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