I might have heard, on this list or on the forums, that Cambium is
developing an airtime-fairness feature to combat this very issue. Did I
dream this or is this a confirmed feature? If Cambium is listening, I'd
love to help in the beta if/when it becomes available.

On Fri, Jan 20, 2017 at 1:20 PM, Eric Muehleisen <[email protected]> wrote:

> Sean,
>
> We are about half 5.4 and half 5.8. You need you to understand that in
> this particular case we have about 20+ AP's crammed in a town about 2.5
> square miles along with two other wireless internet providers. The
> frequency coordination and high noise floor is the primary reason for 1x
> and 2x connections. On top of that we have around 3k subscribers and 30
> roaming combination techs installing CPE all across western Kansas. You may
> have complete oversight of where and when you install customers... I simply
> do not have that luxury. I preach the importance of quality installs
> constantly, but between their supervisors, marketing teams and pressure
> from customers, they install what they feel comfortable. The install tech
> has full discretion, for better or for worse. In the face of all this, 2x
> subs sometimes get installed. I understand fully that we made our own bed
> here. It is what it is. This is why I say "in a perfect world".
>
> As I said before, we truck-rolled our entire customer base for those who
> have poor/marginal signals. We made significant improvements but only
> gained very little in capacity for our efforts. In hindsight, it cost us
> more than we gained. Hence the reason I ask if 450i has any significant
> improvements over vanilla 450.
>
> On Fri, Jan 20, 2017 at 12:48 PM, Sean Heskett <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> eric are any of your APs using the 5.4 band?
>>
>> you could put up some additional APs in the 5.4 band and migrate the
>> close-in clients to them to provide more capacity.
>>
>> -sean
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Jan 20, 2017 at 10:52 AM, Eric Muehleisen <[email protected]>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> In a perfect world.
>>>
>>> On Fri, Jan 20, 2017 at 11:32 AM, Kurt Fankhauser <
>>> [email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>>> You shouldn't be putting any clients on a 450AP with less than 4x
>>>> connections, when they start pulling a lot of traffic they significantly
>>>> choke the AP. Whoever engineered those links needs slapped. I know it
>>>> probably  looked like a good idea at the time to add a new customer but a
>>>> couple low signal clients really affect total AP capacity. You could
>>>> probably pull all the 1x and 2x clients and replace them with 10 times more
>>>> customers running at 8x mnodulatio n and maintain the same utilization
>>>> rates on that AP.
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Jan 19, 2017 at 9:45 PM, Craig Schmaderer <
>>>> [email protected]> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Remember that even a couple of sms runing at 2x or 4x will kill your
>>>>> peak performance if they are the ones that are usually streaming.  We are
>>>>> very careful on what aps we put low signals on and we control what plans 
>>>>> we
>>>>> offer as well based on signal strength. I just can not have a 2x customer
>>>>> want a 10mb plan.  I do think that a 450i will definitely help with uplink
>>>>> interference like others have said. But i think your best bet is to drop
>>>>> the cash and put some 450m up on that tower.  Sounds like that is a cash
>>>>> cow tower like my main tower is.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>> *From:* Af <[email protected]> on behalf of Jon Langeler <
>>>>> [email protected]>
>>>>> *Sent:* Thursday, January 19, 2017 4:18:22 PM
>>>>> *To:* [email protected]
>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 450 vs 450i
>>>>>
>>>>> Put a Mikrotik behind an SM and speed test to the internet
>>>>>
>>>>> Jon Langeler
>>>>> Michwave Technologies, Inc.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> > On Jan 19, 2017, at 1:08 PM, Brian Sullivan <
>>>>> [email protected]> wrote:
>>>>> >
>>>>> > I would check out page 9-51 in the PMP 450x Configuration and User
>>>>> Guide 15.0.2
>>>>> >
>>>>> >> On 1/19/2017 11:37 AM, Tushar Patel wrote:
>>>>> >> So how can we tell when we are really saturating the connection?
>>>>> >
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>

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