Ben, I suggest you do some creative thinking for the first time – not re-reading old texts. If you wanna read, re-read Deutsch.... basically AGI “needs to be nothing like a conventional program”.
The revolutionary TM original paper is a simple paper that even a tech idiot like me can understand – about a machine controlled by a simple old tape. And it’s that simple level of thinking that is required in the first place to rethink AI –and that I just started to give you. Perhaps the core mechanical idea – still by no means properly developed - I’ve put forward is that the tape can’t be rigid (like your and algos thinking) – it has to be in effect a rotating tape – like a dice - offering many choices, not just one. But that’s just a v. crude stab at only part of the idea for a TM2. For example, a TM2 has to be a robot with a body, and thus able to go and physically look for new options in the outside world. A TM box computer locked, in effect, in a Chinese room, will never go anywhere in AGI. From: Ben Goertzel Sent: Monday, May 13, 2013 3:19 AM To: AGI Subject: Re: [agi] The Turing Machine vs The Tintner Machine Mike, I'd suggest you start by thoroughly reading a basic undergrad text in theoretical computer science, such as e.g. http://www.amazon.com/Introduction-Theory-Computation-Michael-Sipser/dp/0534950973/ref=pd_sim_b_4 (That is the easiest decent one I know of...).... Then you will be ready to read some basics about analog and quantum computing. And then you will be ready to have this somewhat interesting discussion in a meaningful and useful way... -- Ben G On Mon, May 13, 2013 at 5:23 AM, Mike Tintner <[email protected]> wrote: My first thoughts are that the Tintner Machine (or TM2) is basically a *dice* machine (/computer/robot) – with the dice deciding which option to take, when confronted with multiple, equally attractive but uncertain options. But note that it will be a sophisticated multiple dice machine – because yes, Steve, I realise you can have a dice algorithm. The new TM will roll at least two and possibly many dice. A second dice will decide whether to accept the decision of the first dice OR to throw the first dice again OR to try and find/create a new dice with more, new options, via more thought/research/experiment. So the process has the potential to go on forever. (Note that this accords with what we visibly do in some decisions - “Heads I call her, tails I don.t” Tails. “OK let’s make that two out of three throws...” Two tails. “Ok let’s go for three out of five OR maybe I look for another way of deciding (and dealing with the problem) altogether”) AGI | Archives | Modify Your Subscription -- Ben Goertzel, PhD http://goertzel.org "My humanity is a constant self-overcoming" -- Friedrich Nietzsche AGI | Archives | Modify Your Subscription ------------------------------------------- AGI Archives: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now RSS Feed: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/21088071-f452e424 Modify Your Subscription: https://www.listbox.com/member/?member_id=21088071&id_secret=21088071-58d57657 Powered by Listbox: http://www.listbox.com
