I just love Alan, however odd or awkward my posts he always outdoes me. And no, Mike and Co., we don't need to read the paper, we have pre-fab objections :)
Now where do I start. First of all , a review paper does not actually owe me or us anything, as it first of all has to be fair with the original authors etc. Conversely, if some of the reviewed work is, in one's eye, so bad that it is funny, it does not reflect on Ben and his work. Even if said work was bad, which is different from being laughable, both Ben and our audience here deserve a more proper treatment than I can deliver right now. I did however find the stated intention of synthesizing the reviewed material to a higher emergent theory somewhat silly, and I took immediate objection to three different points, admittedly with a heavy dose of subjectivity on my part A) as much as I love consciousness, I thought and stated it would be a distraction, at least for the AGI list B) just like there is metacognition or shall we say meta-everything, there is metaattention which is particularly valuable in some psychological work. Being aware of being aware of being aware ... Is not just a linguistic trick in my personal experience, and even if it was a trick we would have to admit it is quite a central trick in our multiverse, such constructions created and keep creating a lot of the "edge" in our mathematics and epistemology. I did get the feeling that this meta centrality was being lost in the more ordinary work reviewed C) despite me proposing "naturalistic" explanations and interpretations of things like qualia, I was as offended as I can be (having already conquered the Olympus of humility) by the informational/attentional focus of the article, when in fact the dualistic challenge of consciousness, the qualia let's say, is the more interesting and juicy part. Up to a point, we could perhaps speak of the intelligence/consciousness continuum, which is where those information integration views would fit in. As I proposed in my previous posting, I would rather include the body in the equation for a more holistic and less laughable "integrated supertheory", although I realize the word "holistic" already inspires some laughs in certain circles. Anyway, and I am repeating myself, it is the body-intelligence-consciousness continuum that we should be working with, and which is why I am trying to keep one foot in Artificial Life and, soon one hopes, in Humanoid Robotics. AT ------------------------------------------- AGI Archives: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now RSS Feed: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/21088071-f452e424 Modify Your Subscription: https://www.listbox.com/member/?member_id=21088071&id_secret=21088071-58d57657 Powered by Listbox: http://www.listbox.com
