Tony, Thanks for sharing your ideas (sorry for the erroneous naming of shape-world). We seem to agree that the lessons (for an AI) would need to start of very simple, and gradually build up mental tools & techniques, by using many different games to build slightly different aspects of cognition.
The idea of putting a baby AI in a simulated world where it might learn cognitive skills is appealing. But I suspect that it will take a huge number of iterations for the baby AI to learn the needed lessons in that situation. I think it will be faster to give more constrained and structured learning first, then when the AI is capable of understanding the 'game world' and the 'game rules' and the 'game interface' it could play "Video games" with the intention of *discovering* how it all works together. This is often what humans find interesting about video games: the discovery aspect. And this would be a valuable new skill to develop: given this World, these Rules and this Interface, discover A, B, C. Where A, B, C could be many different things. Eg: Reach the highest level possible; Stay alive the longest; Rack-up the most points; Rack-up the least points without dying... But this kind of excercise is only going to be useful for mental development once the AI has very significant capabilities. I might almost say that, by the time video-game-playing becomes beneficial to mental development, the AI would be largely self-directed. "Hey! Alan! Wanna play Duke Nukem?" "Okay Michael. But I'm going to win this time." "Oh, really? How do you know." "Well, its a bit complicated to explain. Why don't I just show you?" (gulp) Michael Roy Ames Tony Lofthouse wrote: > Michael, > > You wrote: > >> Tony Lofthouse: I've heard you are working on the shape-world > interface. >Have you considered what games we might play in it? > Ideas? > > To clarify this point. I am currently developing a 2D input capability > for Novamente. It is a very crude form of vision that allows the > presentation of (x, y) time series to the system. This should not be > confused with the shape-world interface mentioned above. Whilst one > may lead to the other shape-world is not the current focus. > > Having said this I do have a couple of comments relating to AI games. > Those of you who have had the opportunity to raise children will no > doubt be well aware of the fact that children don't play TLoZ (or > contemporary equivalent) until well into their childhood. > > There are many stages of learning before a child is capable of this > level of sophistication. One of the first games that young children > play is the categorisation game, i.e. What shape is this?, what > colour is this?, how may sides?, etc. I would expect to use the 2D > world and Shape-world subsequently for the same purpose. This is > followed by the comparison game, i.e. is this big?, is this small?, > which is bigger?, etc. Then you have the counting game (sort of > obvious). The relationship game, i.e. above, below, inside, outside. > There are lots of these type games! > > Then you move on to the reasoning game, i.e. what comes next?, what is > missing?, what is the odd one out?, etc. > > Now the child is ready to combine learning from these different games > and moves on to story telling both listening to them and then telling > them. > > Then there are several more years of honing these key skills whilst > increasing the level of world knowledge and social understanding. > > Finally the child is ready to play TLoZ! > > So as you can see I think there is a lot to do before you get to play > TLoZ with your baby AGI. That is the purpose of 2d World and then > Shape-World. > > T > ------- To unsubscribe, change your address, or temporarily deactivate your subscription, please go to http://v2.listbox.com/member/?[EMAIL PROTECTED]
