If we made it a few a month, I think existing systems (zombies, deregistration) would be able to handle the wealth collection problem. It's worse to have a few people exploiting a system than to have the off chance that a few people might slip through. I agree with G. that 2 a week is way too high, although 2 a month seems draconian. I'd tend to go with 3 or 4 per month flat.
Have you considered the advantages and disadvantages of having combined vs. separate proposal and CFJ currencies? Many systems I've seen separate the two. In fact The Economic System from a few years back (see G.'s thesis) had three usable currencies: one for proposals, one for increasing votes, and one for removing blots (I'd like a slot somewhere to stick a currency for that). You may want to get something like that going in your proposal, because it encourages specialization. One of the problems in the draft is that only two of the currencies have uses in the main game: coins and paper. That's good, but it means that people are going to be focused mainly on those resources. If you add 1 for CFJs (or reuse an existing one) and we add one for blots, as soon as that's ready, then there will be four mini-game currencies with game purposes, three specialized and one general. The monthly allowance would probably give out 1 (2 max) of each. Another thing that you're currently lacking is any currency auctions. I admit that you can't go as far as [1], but perhaps they can be useful somehow. Specifically, the idea of auctioning off a players estate in coins is worth considering, because it will suck up a lot of the excess coinage in circulation and create some interesting bidding wars. Some reading I strongly recommend for any new players interested in the economy: G.'s currency thesis (A Multi-Tiered, Multi-Controlled Currency System, see above) [1] The Idea Grind (a quick analysis by G. of past mini-games that prompted the current economy; entire thread worth reading) [2] Services Rendered (an analysis by nichdel of the goals of an Agoran economy) [3] Considering our Economic Options (an analysis by nichdel of our current problems and proposed reforms; some were adopted, some failed, some even helped a bit, but none of them fixed the underlying problems) [4] [1] https://www.mail-archive.com/agora-business@agoranomic.org/msg28360.html [2] https://www.mail-archive.com/agora-discussion@agoranomic.org/msg33637.html [3] https://www.mail-archive.com/agora-discussion@agoranomic.org/msg34236.html [4] https://www.mail-archive.com/agora-discussion@agoranomic.org/msg34533.html -Aris On Tue, Nov 21, 2017 at 12:54 PM, Reuben Staley <reuben.sta...@gmail.com> wrote: > My problem with having fixed assets per player per week is that that > will cause massive accumulation of wealth on the part of inactive > players. I believe I've mentioned this before in this thread, > actually. I did want to give everyone the same amount of assets a > week, but I was scared that inactive people would get a ton of wealth > and, if they ever decided to rejoin the game, they would be much more > wealthy than the active people, so that makes no sense. > > On Mon, Nov 20, 2017 at 8:49 AM, Kerim Aydin <ke...@u.washington.edu> wrote: >> >> >> On Sun, 19 Nov 2017, Aris Merchant wrote: >>> On Sun, Nov 19, 2017 at 4:19 PM, Reuben Staley <reuben.sta...@gmail.com> >>> wrote: >>> > 1. every player with an amount of papers less than 2 an amount of >>> > papers so that eir paper balance is equal to 2. >>> > >>> > [ This makes it so that impoverished players can move a little each week >>> > and make some proposals. ] >>> >>> I now present the Aris Asset Holding Contract (AAHC): >>> >>> {Aris CAN amend, repeal, or retitle this contract by announcement. >>> This contract accepts all assets. Aris can cause this contract to >>> transfer any asset in its possession by announcement.} >>> >>> Then I transfer all of my papers and apples to the AAHC every week. >>> I'm not really sure how to get around this problem without using >>> something along the lines of effective control (see the blue cards >>> rule). >> >> Needs-based supply for the "poor" is one of the big failings of the >> current system, to get rid of. Just give everyone something each X, >> but less (e.g. 2/month, not 2/week). >> >> Even without the hole you mention, this ends the economy in terms >> of playing it. 2 paper/week is more than I need, you give it back >> when I use it, I never have to participate. Give everyone 2/month, >> regardless of need, and they need to budget, and then to earn >> more they need to participate. >> >> >> >> >> > > > > -- > Trigon
