Hi, well, as I've pointed out before, to leverage the power of the users would speed up the development of a language pair considerably. If it takes one person three months on full time (3x30x5x8=3600 hours), it would take only 4 hours for 1000 people, wouldn't it? Yours, Per Tunedal
On Mon, Jan 7, 2013, at 17:04, Francis Tyers wrote: > El dl 07 de 01 de 2013 a les 16:47 +0100, en/na Per Tunedal va escriure: > > Hi, > > I believe that it's essential to create an easy way for laymen to > > contribute to a language pair. > > I don't believe that it is essential. > > > A. What happened to the web form? > > It's probably in SVN somewhere. There have also been other projects that > attempted to do this: > > https://apertium.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/apertium/branches/gsoc2010/alessiojr > > https://apertium.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/apertium/trunk/apertium-tools/apertium-lexical-webform > > https://apertium.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/apertium/trunk/apertium-tools/apertium-dictionary-form > > https://apertium.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/apertium/trunk/apertium-forms-server > > > B. Why not first try to manage the easy ones? A tool that makes it > > possible to easily contribute nouns and, maybe verbs, would be welcome. > > I've tried to create a simple tool for the pair sv-da, but it might not > > work for other languages. > > If you want to see how to add verbs, I suggest you check out: > apertium-af-nl, apertium-es-ca, apertium-fr-es, apertium-br-fr and > apertium-sh-mk. > > All of them have slightly different ways of dealing with verb entries, > and all of them are released pairs and in trunk/ -- this isn't even > considering pairs in staging, nursery or incubator. > > Summary: > > * af-nl (different entries for forms with ge- prefix) > * es-ca (different entries for different accentuation dímelo vs. dime) > * fr-es (uses metadix to combine paradigms for some verb forms) > * br-fr (includes entries for common synthetic tenses) > * sh-mk (uses metadix and paradigms to deal with variation) > > > http://www.tunedal.nu/download/AddToDix/ (N.B. I'm a beginner in Java.) > > And I believe others have their own tools. > > The benefit of Apertium is that it is easy to write tools for small use > cases. I write scripts on a case-by-case basis. > > > C. Maybe there is some fundamental design problem with the dictionaries, > > if it's that difficult to create an interface? More standardisation? > > Apertium language pairs are very heterogeneous. Making something that > works with all of them or even with a worthwhile subset will be > difficult. > > The dictionaries are designed to be representations of finite-state > transducers. For this they are well designed. > > I agree with standardisation, but I believe it should be an organic, > bottom-up standardisation, not a top-down one. The idea of coming up > with an "all encompassing dictionary format" would lead us to something > awful and unworkable like LMF.[1] > > It's better that people who work on language pairs come up with their > own ways of doing things, taking into account how things work in other > language pairs, and then sharing scripts etc. > > Fran > > 1. http://www.lexicalmarkupframework.org/ > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Master Visual Studio, SharePoint, SQL, ASP.NET, C# 2012, HTML5, CSS, > MVC, Windows 8 Apps, JavaScript and much more. Keep your skills current > with LearnDevNow - 3,200 step-by-step video tutorials by Microsoft > MVPs and experts. SALE $99.99 this month only -- learn more at: > http://p.sf.net/sfu/learnmore_122412 > _______________________________________________ > Apertium-stuff mailing list > [email protected] > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/apertium-stuff ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Master SQL Server Development, Administration, T-SQL, SSAS, SSIS, SSRS and more. Get SQL Server skills now (including 2012) with LearnDevNow - 200+ hours of step-by-step video tutorials by Microsoft MVPs and experts. SALE $99.99 this month only - learn more at: http://p.sf.net/sfu/learnmore_122512 _______________________________________________ Apertium-stuff mailing list [email protected] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/apertium-stuff
