On 29 May 00 at 22:18, Bernie wrote:

>>I don't understand why "we" (the majority of the list) always recomend
>>people to try and login manually - PAP/CHAP is much easier (to set up) so
>>IMHO that should be used as the first alternative. How many ISPs don't use
>>PAP/CHAP anyway? (except Freeweb that we recently saw a mail aout).
>>
>>Suggestion for what we'll recomend people to try in the future:
>>1. PAP/CHAP
>>2. Manual login
>>3. Create login script based on manual login

Well, I did not know my ISP supported PAP/CHAP until I tried Steve 
Lawson's Goin' Postal email program. It uses PAP/CHAP by default and 
it worked the first time I tried it even though I was going to do a 
manual login the first time and then write a custom script. After 
that I started using Arachne with PAP/CHAP as it appears to be 
slightly faster logging on. BTW, PAP/CHAP works for me on FreeWWWeb 
on the local dialup number I use. I think a lot of users (like 
myself) are not aware of whether their ISP support PAP/CHAP or even 
what it is, especially a Windows user trying Arachne for the first 
time. I am not going to be a hardhead about my original suggestion, 
but I think there are some advantages to doing the manual login for 
first time users.

>>Otheriwse it was an excellent answer Dale ;)

Thanks, Bernie. I always count on other experienced users to monitor 
the quality of my posts to newbies since I am usually working from 
memory and, as we age, I know the memory is the first faculty to go 
and I can't remember what the second one is. ;)

Regards,
Dale Mentzer

If at first you do succeed, try not to look astonished.


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