The Baha'i Studies Listserv Hi, from Shoghi Effendi-God passes by. ", first, the bigoted, the sickly, the vacillating Muhammad Sháh," page 1. "The arch villains who joined hands with the prime movers of so wicked a conspiracy were the two grand vizirs, Hájí Mírzá Aqásí, the idolized tutor of Muhammad Sháh, a vulgar, false-hearted and fickle-minded schemer, and the arbitrary, bloodthirsty, reckless Amír-Nizám, Mírzá Taqí Khán. "
I think the point of Baha'u'llahs words are that backbiting and slander is especially bad amongst the friends. But to paint a historical picture by pointing out someones traits (of the parties involved) is not quite the same thing. On Fri, Oct 22, 2010 at 6:29 AM, Susan Maneck <[email protected]> wrote: > The Baha'i Studies Listserv > > No. They agree that certain words were said which Shia INTERPRET one > > way, and Sunnis INTERPRET another. > > Why don't you share with us exactly what those words were? > > > The comment is not really true or illuminating. > > It is true that the Wahhabis adhere to the Hanbali school. Whether or > not Ibn Hanbal should be blamed for that is another question. Most > Saudis insist on being called Hanbali Muslims, not Wahhabis. But I > would agree that Muhammad ibn Abdu'l-Wahhab had some ideas that were > closer to the Kharijites than Ibn Hanbal. > > > I don't see why you are having so much trouble with this. I wish you > > would try to read more wholistically and respond that way because it > > feels like you are just glossing over things which don't fit into your > > preconceived notions. > > I'm pointing to precisely the opposite, the fact that as you are > clearly indicating Sunnis feel *obligated* to gloss over their own > history if it involves someone they consider a Companion. You can't do > history when confined by these kinds of constraints. > > Sometimes good people can have a > > difference of opinion and end up fighting one another. > > I would agree, but I don't think that can be said to apply to > Muwayyih. I'm more willing to give Abu Bakr and 'Umar the benefit of a > doubt (though I think Iskandar would disagree with me on this point.) > > > I also am a little surprised by your approach because I think that > > what I'm saying doesn't seem all that different from the Bahai concept > > of the sin-covering eye. > > As I said, I don't think it applies to dead people. If it did we > couldn't write history. > > warmest, Susan > > __________________________________________________ > You are subscribed to Baha'i Studies as: mailto:[email protected] > Unsubscribe: send a blank email to mailto: > leave-534498-2222932.41cdf54d4f0ecb51bfad2c42bd979...@list.jccc.edu > Subscribe: send subscribe bahai-st in the message body to > [email protected] > Or subscribe: > http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/all_forums/subscribe?name=bahai-st > Baha'i Studies is available through the following: > Mail - mailto:[email protected] > Web - http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/?forum=bahai-st > News (on-campus only) - news://list.jccc.edu/bahai-st > Old Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected] > New Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected] > __________________________________________________ You are subscribed to Baha'i Studies as: mailto:[email protected] Unsubscribe: send a blank email to mailto:leave-534718-27401.54f46e81b66496c9909bcdc2f7987...@list.jccc.edu Subscribe: send subscribe bahai-st in the message body to [email protected] Or subscribe: http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/all_forums/subscribe?name=bahai-st Baha'i Studies is available through the following: Mail - mailto:[email protected] Web - http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/?forum=bahai-st News (on-campus only) - news://list.jccc.edu/bahai-st Old Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected] New Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]
