Henry, I notice that all mention of "JFE" has been removed from the new install docs you revised. That is probably a good thing.
Regarding your help request #1: On the one hand the name of the program under Mac is ~install/bin/jqt.command but that file does not initially exist for the Mac download and is created by the Qt IDE install. What does already exist is the stub for the alias for that program, named ~install/jqt.app but it looks like simply ~install/jqt in Finder because the extension is suppressed. Regarding your help request #2: I have a relatively old version of Mac so my observations may be out-of-date. The natural download directory is named Downloads and the .zip file appears in the Downloads directory already unzipped as j64-804 (without any extension). A user can copy and paste that j64-804 directory/folder into the (default) <user's name>/ directory using the Edit menu (as if it were text in a text document). The downside of that alternative is that there is no such CUT and paste alternative so my personal preference is to drag the directory from its position in the Downloads directory to the <user's name> directory. Wherever the j64-804 directory ultimately resides, there is a grey icon named jcon which can be double-clicked to launch jconsole in its own (Terminal) window. Then the user has only to type install 'qtide' followed by exit 0 to install jqt and then exit 0. That does not install packages though, so the simplest option is to just suggest install 'all' instead of install 'qtide' above, to eschew package manager. In this regard, I remind you of my earlier comment (below) regarding the jarring associated with the pacman link provided. On Mon, Aug 3, 2015 at 9:17 AM, Henry Rich <[email protected]> wrote: > Thanks, guys, I have a new version up that addresses the issues raised by > Bill and Brian (except that I still call for use of Package Manager because > I think having them start Jconsole is more confusing). > > I still need expert help in 2 areas: > > 1. Under (optional) Install the Qt IDE there is a reference to the name > of the program under Windows but not under other OSs. What should that > name be? > > 2. The instructions for installing on the Mac are not easy enough to use. > Some of my students are 14-year-old girls with no computer experience and > they have to get J installed. Can somebody write a sequence of steps that > they can understand? > > Henry > > > On 8/2/2015 8:51 PM, Brian Schott wrote: > >> I note that most references in the current jwiki page are to Qt IDE, but >> occasionally the term jqt is used, as a synonym, without a formal >> connection being made. I think that should be fixed. >> >> >> I also note that the reference link to Package manager is at the anchor >> #install which is a little jarring to see pop up. As a matter of fact for >> a >> beginner I think the task of requiring the use of Package manager is very >> off-putting, and that leads to my next question, below. >> >> Under the Mac installation mention is made of "install 'all'" from >> jconsole. What does this do and would it be a good alternative for >> beginners of ALL platforms who want to experiment without having to read >> all of these instructions carefully? >> >> >> For example is the JFE JHS always installed on all platforms, and if so >> why >> is it not mentioned in the "What is installed" section? >> >> Bill has added some other comments that must be answered before this jwiki >> page is taken out of Beta, imo. >> >> Clearly, I am a little confused about Henry's request that I write a >> section. But I offer the text below as a partial draft. >> >> ************* >> >> What is not installed >> >> The next session covers the installation of "packages" which is the main >> omission in the installation on all platforms. "Packages" are often >> called >> "Libraries" elsewhere. >> >> As noted above, on some platforms, notably Windows, the Qt IDE is >> automatically installed, but in other cases another step is required for >> that installation, but both jconsole and JHS are installed automatically. >> If the Qt IDE has not been automatically installed, then it can be >> installed via the jconsole JFE as described in the link provided. >> >> >> >> -- (B=) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- For information about J forums see http://www.jsoftware.com/forums.htm
