I want to revert to separate pages for the base and for the Qt installation. It is too much to have all this on one page.
As Bill points out, it is the case that Qt is optional. That your users need it should not complicate the installation for others. By all means steer the novice as you think appropriate, but this should not affect the base installation page. A simple statement on that page can direct them to the Qt IDE page. I am surprised that all this is apparently caused by your students having difficulties with the Mac. This makes it more appropriate that we have a "Quick Start" page that gives the few instructions needed to install J+Qt+Addons for those who just want everything in the default location. This page can have sections for each platform. On 3 August 2015 at 08:29, Henry Rich <[email protected]> wrote: > I don't want to suggest that jconsole is only suitable for embedded > systems, & I have changed that language. > > But I do feel strongly that we should point new users towards Qt IDE. That > system has so much more support for tutorials, training, debugging, and > script development that I can't imagine that a user new to J wouldn't want > to start with it. > > I am trying to have this page tell everyone how to install J as they wish, > but steer the novice towards JQt + all the addons. > > Henry > > > On 8/3/2015 11:04 AM, bill lam wrote: > >> I think your instructions are still biased to Qt IDE, eg suggesting new >> users to install Qt IDE. Jconsole is described as suitable for automated >> task and embedded systems, but this is not true. FWIE I use jconsole as >> the >> primary development platform. Choosing which jfe is just a matter of >> personal preference, eg some users favor Qt ide and quite reluctant to use >> jhs, while some other users are just the opposite. >> 03 авг. 2015 г. 7:56 пользователь "Henry Rich" <[email protected]> >> написал: >> >> http://www.jsoftware.com/jwiki/System/Installation/J804 >>> >>> I have tried to respond to the suggestions given here by adding text >>> explaining things and adding a section focused on new users. There are >>> errors and omissions that need to be fixed by someone who knows the >>> answers: >>> >>> 1. Android is not listed under the supported platforms >>> >>> 2. There is a note in the installation page saying that jconsole is >>> renamed to ijconsole; this conflicts with the info under 'What Is >>> Installed' and later references to jconsole. >>> >>> 3. Someone who knows how to install on: >>> Mac >>> Linux >>> Android >>> Raspberry Pi >>> >>> needs to go into the 'If You Are New to J' section and list the steps for >>> those platforms. There is a lot of information under 'OS-specific >>> Information' but you'd have to be a geek to make sense of it. We need >>> some >>> simple instructions for ordinary users, especially Mac users. >>> >>> Henry Rich >>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> For information about J forums see http://www.jsoftware.com/forums.htm >>> >>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> For information about J forums see http://www.jsoftware.com/forums.htm >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > For information about J forums see http://www.jsoftware.com/forums.htm > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- For information about J forums see http://www.jsoftware.com/forums.htm
