That link is returning a 404; is it available anywhere else? I'd love to see this.
From: Dennis Towne Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2018 14:39 To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [blind-gamers] Help with muds. One thing to keep in mind regarding MSP is that it's only "sortof" a protocol. The specification is really unclear when it comes to implementing things, and it doesn't define almost all of the use cases that actually matter to modern games. I sat down at one point and started writing an update to the spec that better handled things like downloads and versioning, but it turned out to be complicated enough that it wasn't worthwhile. For a description of the nonstandard things that Alter Aeon's MSP implementation does, you might want to take a look at http://alteraeon.com/articles/alter_aeon_msp_protocol.html. The lack of a good specification is at least part of the reason that MSP isn't used in more places. -dentin Alter Aeon MUD http://www.alteraeon.com On Fri, Jun 15, 2018 at 7:19 PM, Travis Siegel <[email protected]> wrote: Muddle was a rather simple client that came with the mordor mud. I liked it simply because it was simple, had all the required features, and was so small that it didn't hardly even take up any space. Lately though, I've been unable to get it working on a 64-bit version of linux, so I need to run it through a few debugging sessions to see what the problem is, but like I said, I've been using it for years, and still do on a couple linux machines here. As for tintin alter aeon, According to the page you quoted below, it's the same thing as mushZ, it's simply a sound pack with triggers to play them. Nothing new there, but no MSP either. <sigh>. On 6/15/2018 9:48 PM, Devin Prater wrote: Muddle? I’ve never heard of that before. Tintin-alteraeon is at: https://github.com/stormdragon2976/tintin-alteraeon On Jun 15, 2018, at 8:41 PM, Travis Siegel <[email protected]> wrote: What the hecek is tintin alter aeon? I never heard of it. As far as I know, tintin doesn't support MSP, and I've been using it for years. Of course, I've also been using muddle for years too, and my first experience with MSP was when I hacked muddle to add the MSP protocol, since it doesn't support it by default. It worked fairly well (until I tried to streamline my code, then I broke it, then my computer crashed, and I lost the code, so I can't fix it now. Might go ahead and rewrite it from scratch again though, just because I liked it so much. :) On 6/15/2018 3:16 PM, john wrote: Yes, for the most part. There are some additional sounds, but from my limited testing, tintin-alteraeon is heavily based on msp. -------------------------------------------------- From: "Devin Prater" <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, June 15, 2018 14:26 To: <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [blind-gamers] Help with muds. Is MSP what Tintin-alteraeon uses? If so, the sounds are definitely not close to what Mush-Z gives. On Jun 15, 2018, at 1:22 PM, Travis Siegel <[email protected]> wrote: I'm pretty sure MSP was out way before mushZ existed. It's been around for many years, mushZ has too, but I'd be willing to wager MSP existed before mushZ. Doing a quick search on the MSP protocol, I find the documentation explaining how it works, and at the end of the file, it says it was last updated on July 25 2001. That would indicate that it existed even before that, and I'd be willing to bet that mushZ didn't exist in 2001, so no, msp did not exist after mushz, it's the other way around. But, just for reference, if anyone has the opportunity to use the Mud Sound Protocol on alter aeon, you should definitely use it, it's absolutely amazing, and the soundpacks for mushZ pale in comparison in my opinion. On 6/15/2018 11:52 AM, john wrote: Sound quality and distinguishability, in many cases. Consider, for example, the MSP combat sounds. It would be impossible to use those to determine damage type being dealt, especially in high-intensity situations. There are certainly a few MSP sounds suitable for inclusion in Mush-z. However, you need a very different set of standards when building something that's entirely sound based, as opposed to having sound as an add-on capability. Mush-z builds a world in sound. Msp is a nice feature in an existing one built of text. Also, MSP came after Mush-z, as far as I know. -------------------------------------------------- From: "Travis Siegel" <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, June 15, 2018 11:13 To: <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [blind-gamers] Help with muds. But, alter aeon supports the mud sounc protocl, so I don't understand why mushz fiddles around with sound packs, just download the sounds from the mud itself, that's what they're for. I did notice that muzhZ doesn't play the sounds alteraeon has in their MSP support, and I was puzzled as to why this was. There's actually no need for it, alteraeon has a complete set of sounds you can get quite nicely from the Mud Sound Protocol, so bringing in sounds from other sources is just plain silly. On 6/12/2018 10:49 AM, dark wrote: @travis, not all mud SOUNDPACKS work by msp, actually comparatively few of them do, only classic six dragons and materiamagica I believe. A lot of muds with pre build soundpacks make those soundpacks for! specific clients, by having a set of scripts for the client along with sounds that can be downloaded. the scripts then essentially command the client to play a sound everytime some text is sent from the mud server. This is how mushZ for alteraeon works. this isn't a criticism, mushZ is an awesome piece of work, but equally its why MushZ won't work with any other client but mushclient, why it needs auto updating through the client rather than through the mud itself or the alteraeon website, and why updates to the client often are made after updates to the game, EG if a new spell or ability is introduced it usually takes a while before it gets a sound. This is also why most of the sounds and music in MushZ actually come from other games and different places. All the best, Dark. Virus-free. www.avast.com -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Groups.io Links: You receive all messages sent to this group. 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