Hi, Shaun. I trust other developers on this list like Justin, Josh, etc to keep the problem to themselves, and not to take advantage of the situation. There are however plenty of new people learning programming, and all it takes is one less than reputable script kiddy to take advantage for a vonerability like this, and then blow the thing up in my face. Is the solutions perfect? No, no security is full proof. are they better than leaving this security hole open? I believe so.
shaun everiss wrote: > I didn't mean for you to answer this question on the list man. > I know you can't really say any more on here but off list? if you want to. > > its just if you need like a few lines of code to hack this then you > are probably safe. > Most programmers on here are devs and most are lagit, but at the end > of the day, its up to you. > And what ever happens, i will support you, just don't take to long. > At 02:04 p.m. 21/02/2006, you wrote: > >Hi, Shaun. > >I'm sorry, but I am going to say no more than I have already said about > >the security issue. By answering your questions I would be giving away > >to much information on how exactly the USA Games can be compromised. > > > > > >shaun everiss wrote: > >> Will this take long? > >> I don't mean to be rood, but would this hacker have to write a program > >> to hack into this hole, or would he be able to enter a code into a box > >> and it just would work. > >> I don't think we have that sort of competant hacker on here. > >> At 10:37 a.m. 21/02/2006, you wrote: > >> >Hi, Shaun. > >> >yes, that is correct. we have to start over from scratch if we > switch to > >> >C++. > >> > > >> > > >> >shaun everiss wrote: > >> >> so this means you need to redo the usagames engine to then? > >> >> At 08:58 a.m. 21/02/2006, you wrote: > >> >> > >> >>> Hi, Shaun. > >> >>> I really can't even begin to make a guess at when the updated STFC > >> 1.0 > >> >>> would be ready. As you might guess some code can be directly > >> copied or > >> >>> salvaged, and some of it has to be rewritten do to C++ specific > >> language > >> >>> requirements. > >> >>> One thing right now is I don't have the USA Games engine now that > >> it has > >> >>> the same security issues as the game so everything is upside down, > >> and > >> >>> needs to be rethought from the ground up. > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> shaun everiss wrote: > >> >>> > >> >>>> I understand, gmagames have a system hardware id bassed system, > >> and others have simular id based systems. > >> >>>> Just don't go the way of ms with activation punnishing the lagit > >> guys thats all. > >> >>>> Also if you decide to make your data files non hackable, there > >> are those of us that contribute sound and like to look at our sounds > >> we put in places. > >> >>>> When will the stfc port be ready in the new c++ code? > >> >>>> At 09:53 p.m. 20/02/2006, you wrote: > >> >>>> > >> >>>> > >> >>>>> Hi, Shaun. > >> >>>>> While it is true there is no way for a developer to absolutely > >> secure a > >> >>>>> product from theft, cracks, and piracy there are ways to make it > >> harder > >> >>>>> and minimize the chances. > >> >>>>> If you think of it this way you can't completely secure your > >> home from > >> >>>>> burglers, but you will do whatever is necessary to make it > harder. > >> >>>>> Before you leave you check the windows to make sure they are > >> down and > >> >>>>> locked, lock the doors, and if you have one arm the security > panel. > >> >>>>> Noone I know of in a high crime neighborhood leaves for work > >> with the > >> >>>>> back door unlocked, an open window for people to crawl in to, or > >> owns a > >> >>>>> security panel and decides to leave it off. They would at least > >> do those > >> >>>>> security measures to make sure their home was safer than it would > >> >>>>> otherwise have been. > >> >>>>> As for piracy in this comunity sad to say, but I recently > found out > >> >>>>> there were an alarming number of accessible gamers pirating > >> GMA's Shades > >> >>>>> of Doom 1.0. Even though there were plenty of honest gamers like > >> me who > >> >>>>> baught their copies GMA and my company USA Games must protect > >> our games > >> >>>>> > >> >>>>> > >> >>>> >from those less than honest people as best we can. > >> >>>> > >> >>>> > >> >>>>> shaun everiss wrote: > >> >>>>> > >> >>>>> > >> >>>>>> Well I suppose you know what you are doing. > >> >>>>>> Its however good to note that nothing is secure, as you can't > >> secure for everything and or anything. > >> >>>>>> I would never hack a program though. > >> >>>>>> I am not like that. > >> >>>>>> At 08:55 p.m. 20/02/2006, you wrote: > >> >>>>>> > >> >>>>>> > >> >>>>>> > >> >>>>>>> Hi, Matt. > >> >>>>>>> Thanks. I only wish I had taken more time to research security > >> before I > >> >>>>>>> began writing STFC. If I had known how security week the final > >> product > >> >>>>>>> would be I would have of course done things much different. As > >> it stands > >> >>>>>>> I can not release the game as is, as any reasonably compatent > >> hacker > >> >>>>>>> could crack the game in a matter of minutes which is not > >> exceptable. > >> >>>>>>> However, on the bright side of this I am finding out some good > >> >>>>>>> alternatives to doing things and if I choose that route USA > >> Games not > >> >>>>>>> only will be more secure, but there are some extra bonuses > >> involved. > >> >>>>>>> I am currently strongly thinking of converting all projects to > >> C++. Not > >> >>>>>>> only would I have a better security for the game there is > better > >> >>>>>>> documentation for writing game scripting engines, better > >> support for > >> >>>>>>> SAPI tts engines, etc.... So this might have a bright side > to it. > >> >>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>> matt wrote: > >> >>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>> That is bad news. I must commend you though for being a game > >> creator who > >> >>>>>>>> comes out and says when something is going wrong. I do not > >> mean anything bad > >> >>>>>>>> about anyone else just saying that is a cool thing to say. I > >> wish you the > >> >>>>>>>> best of luck in fixing the problem. Later, Matt > >> >>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- > >> >>>>>>>> From: "Thomas Ward" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >> >>>>>>>> To: <[email protected]> > >> >>>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, February 19, 2006 11:25 PM > >> >>>>>>>> Subject: audyssey: USA Games news. > >> >>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>> USA Games News > >> >>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>> 2/20/2006 > >> >>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>> STFC Release in Doubt > >> >>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>> Greetings gamers, > >> >>>>>>>>> We at USA Games have some good and bad news for our fans of > >> STFC. The > >> >>>>>>>>> good news the game is practically complete and is pretty > >> reliable. The > >> >>>>>>>>> bad news is that recently we have discovered some security > >> issues with > >> >>>>>>>>> the product which is of grave concern to me inparticular. As > >> a result > >> >>>>>>>>> this security issue could set development back for months, > >> and at the > >> >>>>>>>>> least a few weeks. > >> >>>>>>>>> Unfortunately, the nature of the issue forces USA Games to > >> choose > >> >>>>>>>>> between two options. the first option is to pay a quite a > >> sum of money > >> >>>>>>>>> to purchase licenses for pro grade security applications. > >> The second > >> >>>>>>>>> option USA Games rewrites STFC in a language in which this > >> security hole > >> >>>>>>>>> is not a factor. As USA Games does not currently have the > >> funds for the > >> >>>>>>>>> former choice it will likely come down to the second choice. > >> However, > >> >>>>>>>>> after just completing the game I am not in any mood to start > >> over and > >> >>>>>>>>> port the current game to something new. > >> >>>>>>>>> As a result of this security discovery USA Games is haulting > >> production > >> >>>>>>>>> on all of our titles until a suitable security can be > >> devised. It is > >> >>>>>>>>> possible some projects may have to be rewritten from > >> scratch, or at the > >> >>>>>>>>> very least wait until USA Games has enough funds to complete > >> them using > >> >>>>>>>>> pro grade security software. > >> >>>>>>>>> I hope that in the future USA Games will be able to bring > >> some truly > >> >>>>>>>>> awesome titles to you all, but for the time being we will be > >> returning > >> >>>>>>>>> to research and experiment. 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