The BMW UUC Digest Volume 2 : Issue 656 : "text" Format Messages in this Issue: Blau Toronto wiring Re: Blau Toronto wiring Re: Blau Toronto wiring Re: Blau Toronto wiring Re: e28/e24 M5/M6 Thrust arm bushings Re: e28/e24 M5/M6 Thrust arm bushings Re: <E36>Aftermarket head unit wiring Re: <E36>Aftermarket head unit wiring Re: <E34> 1995 525 Touring Questions <E34> Heater Questions <E36>Aftermarket HU wiring and RANT about my car LONG <E36> Kumho tires Re: <E36> Kumho tires Re: <E36> Kumho tires Re: <E36> Kumho tires
---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 12 May 2005 06:42:42 -0700 (PDT) From: Vince Leo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [email protected] Subject: Blau Toronto wiring Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Speaking of head unit wiring... I bought a used Blau Toronto off ebay for my e34 and it has no wiring diagram. Does anyone have a diagram for the Blau Toronto they could share with me. I currently have it wired, but I have to turn it on manually each time and it turns off automatically after 1 hr, so I assume I have something screwed up with an acc and 12v wire. Vince __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Make Yahoo! your home page http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 May 2005 09:38:54 -0700 From: Mark Gold <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Vince Leo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: [email protected] Subject: Re: Blau Toronto wiring Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> That receiver is a really nice match for the E30 and E34 models. I don't have one, but have heard that its a pretty good head unit. Enjoy it! On May 12, 2005, at 6:42 AM, Vince Leo wrote: > Speaking of head unit wiring... > > I bought a used Blau Toronto off ebay for my e34 and > it has no wiring diagram. Does anyone have a diagram > for the Blau Toronto they could share with me. > > I currently have it wired, but I have to turn it on > manually each time and it turns off automatically > after 1 hr, so I assume I have something screwed up > with an acc and 12v wire. > > Vince > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Make Yahoo! your home page > http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs > Search the > ARCHIVES:http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected] > > > _______________________________________________________________________ > ___ > In memory of Michel Potheau - friend, enthusiast, founder of the BMW > CCA. > > UUC Motorwerks - BMW Performance Fine-tuning and home of the Ultimate > Short Shifter - accept no substitutes! > 908-874-9092 . http://www.uucmotorwerks.com > > Sincerely, Mark Gold Sacramento Chapter BMWCCA 916-852-6533 (home) 916-743-7153 (cell) [EMAIL PROTECTED] ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 May 2005 06:59:02 -0700 (PDT) From: Richard Dorffer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Vince Leo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [email protected] Subject: Re: Blau Toronto wiring Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> This may help: <http://www.blaupunktusa.com/NR/rdonlyres/43F33173-4EB7-47EA-BAC4-3EF9F3DB7DC0/0/TORONTO.pdf> Regards, Rich --- Vince Leo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Speaking of head unit wiring... > > I bought a used Blau Toronto off ebay for my e34 and > it has no wiring diagram. Does anyone have a diagram > for the Blau Toronto they could share with me. > > I currently have it wired, but I have to turn it on > manually each time and it turns off automatically > after 1 hr, so I assume I have something screwed up > with an acc and 12v wire. > > Vince > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Make Yahoo! your home page > http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs > Search the ARCHIVES:http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected] > > > __________________________________________________________________________ > In memory of Michel Potheau - friend, enthusiast, founder of the BMW CCA. > > UUC Motorwerks - BMW Performance Fine-tuning and home of the Ultimate > Short Shifter - accept no substitutes! > 908-874-9092 . http://www.uucmotorwerks.com > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 May 2005 08:03:09 -0700 (PDT) From: Carlos Lopez <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Vince Leo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [email protected] Subject: Re: Blau Toronto wiring Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> --- Richard Dorffer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > This may help: > ><http://www.blaupunktusa.com/NR/rdonlyres/43F33173-4EB7-47EA-BAC4->3EF9F3DB7DC0/0/TORONTO.pdf> I looked at that briefly and my guess is since both 12V (ACC) and 12V (BATTERY) wires are red, you probably have yours reversed. Once you reverse them you'll be able to turn on your radio manually without the ignition being on but if you do it'll shut off after 1 hr. On the other hand it'll turn on when the ignition is on and it'll remember your volume pre-setting and all the other cool junk that the Toronto does. Carlos. Discover Yahoo! Stay in touch with email, IM, photo sharing and more. Check it out! http://discover.yahoo.com/stayintouch.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 May 2005 07:02:05 -0700 From: "Rodney Moore" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Gary Derian" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Schuffner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, <[email protected]> Subject: Re: e28/e24 M5/M6 Thrust arm bushings Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Gary, Thanks for clarifying my cryptic post. Below is the URL for the E-30 trailing arm adjuster. Since I have yet to use this kit you will want to contact Ireland and ask if it will work on an E-24. https://secure9.nexternal.com/shared/StoreFront/default.asp?CS=ireland&BusTy pe=BtoC&Count1=70842921&Count2=987983345 A toe adjuster could be made up from the E-34, M5 parts with custom fabrication. Rodney Moore BMWCCA GGC [EMAIL PROTECTED] -----Original Message----- From: Gary Derian [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, May 12, 2005 5:50 AM To: Schuffner; [email protected] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [UUC] e28/e24 M5/M6 Thrust arm bushings I believe Rod means to install adjustable rear semi-trailing arm mounts as the factory did for the E34 M5. Ireland Engineering has a kit for E30s that appears to me to fit an E34/ E28/E24. Two kits can be installed, one with the slot up and down for camber and the other with the slot front to back for toe. Gary Derian > Hi Rod, > Read your post on the thrust arm bushings. I have the 750 bushings > installed > now for about 5 years. Still going strong. > I have also installed the normal lower aluminum arm. > I noticed you mention 'adjustable inner swing arm mounts". What are > these? > Which car do they come from? > Regards, > Wolf > '85 M635CSi > > Search the ARCHIVES:http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected] > > > __________________________________________________________________________ > In memory of Michel Potheau - friend, enthusiast, founder of the BMW CCA. > > UUC Motorwerks - BMW Performance Fine-tuning and home of the Ultimate > Short Shifter - accept no substitutes! > 908-874-9092 . http://www.uucmotorwerks.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 May 2005 10:47:13 -0400 From: "Gary Derian" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[email protected]> Subject: Re: e28/e24 M5/M6 Thrust arm bushings Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> A quick check of the ETK shows the E30 and E34 use the same bolt to attach the rear semi-trailing arm to the subframe. That tells me the Ireland kit should fit. Check to make sure. There is some question which pivot gets the up down, and which get the front back orientation. The factory has a front back slot (for toe) on the inner pivot. Placing an up down on the outer may cause problems with the alignment of the dog bones. Gary Derian > Gary, > Thanks for clarifying my cryptic post. > Below is the URL for the E-30 trailing arm adjuster. Since I have yet to > use this kit you will want to contact Ireland and ask if it will work on > an > E-24. > https://secure9.nexternal.com/shared/StoreFront/default.asp?CS=ireland&BusTy > pe=BtoC&Count1=70842921&Count2=987983345 > > A toe adjuster could be made up from the E-34, M5 parts with custom > fabrication. > > Rodney Moore > BMWCCA GGC > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > -----Original Message----- > From: Gary Derian [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Thursday, May 12, 2005 5:50 AM > To: Schuffner; [email protected] > Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: [UUC] e28/e24 M5/M6 Thrust arm bushings > > I believe Rod means to install adjustable rear semi-trailing arm mounts as > the factory did for the E34 M5. Ireland Engineering has a kit for E30s > that > appears to me to fit an E34/ E28/E24. Two kits can be installed, one with > the slot up and down for camber and the other with the slot front to back > for toe. > Gary Derian ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 May 2005 11:02:13 -0400 From: Felix Vicente <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> Subject: Re: <E36>Aftermarket head unit wiring Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Whatever you do, NEVER CUT THE OEM CAR HARNESS!! > And do everything you can to avoid splicing directly > into those wires with tee-offs. For the head unit, yes, but the amp in the trunk, it's a different story. Since no one makes an adapter for that blasted 26-pin output harness from the stock amp, if you want to bypass that POS you have no choice but to cut or splice at the amp. Head unit, yes, there are plenty of adapters available. But nothing for the trunk. It's kind of a shame to replace your head unit with a nice high-power unit only to find out that it's still being run through the crappy 4x20 amp in the trunk. Having had 5 BMWs, I can say that even given that, these are the easiest cars to install aftermarket amps in, since the battery and all the connections necessary are already in the trunk. I have cut the harnesses in all of them to bypass those crappy amps- I have a pile of them at home, even one from our first BMW, a 91 E30. The ones from our E34, E36 and my two E39s are identical. The E38 is the only one I haven't dealt with, and that's because the primary driver listens to talk radio most of the time. The answer to what to do after you cut the harness when you sell the car is easy- I just pull out my xtant amp and put in an el cheapo amp (<$200) and that's the end of it. No drama, a bit more work than just plugging in a stock amp but I can do it in less than an hour and the sound is still *miles* better than stock. That xtant has been in my last three cars dating back to '98. Back to the head unit install- make sure you connect the antenna turn on lead to the antenna lead in the car, so that the amplifier for your rear glass antenna gets power, otherwise your reception will stink. Back to lurk mode, -felix Miami,fl 01 540/6 factory sirius, bluetooth, and aforementioned amp 98 740 95 525 alpine head unit in matching red lighting, soundstream amp ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 May 2005 13:02:04 -0500 From: "Marc Plante" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [email protected] Subject: Re: <E36>Aftermarket head unit wiring Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Felix Vicente" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [UUC] <E36>Aftermarket head unit wiring Date: Thu, 12 May 2005 11:02:13 -0400 > > > Whatever you do, NEVER CUT THE OEM CAR HARNESS!! > > And do everything you can to avoid splicing directly > > into those wires with tee-offs. > > if you want to bypass that POS you have no choice but to cut > or splice at the amp. Actually you can run separate connectors to get signal to the amp and separate speaker lines, bypassing the stock system altogether. Yes, it is nice to tack advantage of the existing speaker lines, but I plan on simply bypassing the whole mess when the time comes. As for doing a headunit only change. I got better FM reception and cd/MP3 capabilities (Eclipse CD3414) for $100 by EBay bottom feeding. I know the stock amp is a crossover and power bottleneck, but a better source made a definite difference I think of that as an 80/20 solution that works for me. Next step is a 4 Ch amp, separates in the doors and subs or 6x9s in back. My acceptable amp is your "cheapo (Eclipse 4x40 @ <$150)" so I tend to just let the components go when I sell the car. I just wish I'd kept the JL stealthboxes from my last car. Interesting. I didn't add the power connection for the power antenna, but my reception is still better than the stock unit. Says something for the quality of the stock unit. I'll go back in and add the power. Marc Plante E36 M3/4, 64k Vienna, VA ------------------------------ Date: 12 May 2005 10:39:29 -0700 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [email protected] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: <E34> 1995 525 Touring Questions Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Apple. Ask for an "iPod". A CD changer is as obsolete as an RCA '45' turntable. Curt Ingraham 72 2002tii Oakland, CA Paul Craven <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi all. I just picked up the above car for my wife and have a couple > questions: > 1. What is the best source these days for a CD changer for the car? It > is pre-wired, seems like plugging one in would be painless compared to a > new head unit. [deletia] ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 May 2005 13:28:24 -0500 From: "Paul Craven" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[email protected]> Subject: <E34> Heater Questions Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Need some more help if I can pick the collective brain. My new-to-me 95 525it with 85k miles came to me with the heat stuck on. Regardless of the setting of the temperature control knobs, I have hot air through any vent I choose. I researched a bit and ended up replacing the heater valve, which appeared to fix the issue for a day or so. Today at lunch, the un-ending heat was back. Anyone BTDT? Any help is appreciated. Regards, Paul Craven 93 325ic 95 525iT- mobile sauna ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 May 2005 13:43:55 -0700 (PDT) From: Brian Ruiz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], UUC Digest <[email protected]> Subject: <E36>Aftermarket HU wiring and RANT about my car LONG Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Whatever you do, NEVER CUT THE OEM CAR HARNESS!! > > And do everything you can to avoid splicing > directly > > into those wires with tee-offs. > > For the head unit, yes, but the amp in the trunk, > it's a different story. Ahh...but yes, I only meant for the HU. :) When I got my 95 M3 and went to install my HU, the PO had a subwoofer and amp installed in the trunk, and whatever place installed it cut the white amp turn on wire nearly flush with the factory harness -- yes, FACTORY harness -- and ran a yellow turn on wire from the amp for the sub in the trunk up to the head unit area, and connected it to the white wire along with the stereo amp turn on wire. It really pissed me off and boggled me why they just didn't connect it all at the one point where they would have to make the connection between the harness adapter and new stereo harness anyway, instead of cutting that ONE wire from the factory harness. In addition, they removed the plastic part of the factory harness that slides over the two halves, pulling the male half in and securing the two halves. I really dislike discovering that someone altered the original state of my car in a way that is limiting or is very difficult to reverse (maybe I'm being too anal?). I'm going to have to run by the dealer and buy a new female pin for the factory harness and reinstall it, GRRR. > Since no one makes an adapter for that blasted > 26-pin output harness from > the stock amp, Really? Does the dealer have the connector and pins available to buy? If so, you could theoretically construct your own. I really like the clean and unintrusive style for aftermarket accessories, even if it might require more work, so I personally would build one if it was possible. I just think that way seems so much more reliable, as well as looks better. > if you want to bypass that POS you > have no choice but to cut > or splice at the amp. Head unit, yes, there are > plenty of adapters > available. But nothing for the trunk. It's kind of a > shame to replace your > head unit with a nice high-power unit only to find > out that it's still being > run through the crappy 4x20 amp in the trunk. You mean the stock amp is 20W x 4 ch? What about the other 6 speakers? Hrm, my sound is decent, I thought...not amazing by any standards, but I can still notice a difference over a stock HU. > Having had 5 BMWs, I can say that even given that, > these are the easiest > cars to install aftermarket amps in, since the > battery and all the > connections necessary are already in the trunk. I > have cut the harnesses in > all of them to bypass those crappy amps- I have a > pile of them at home, even > one from our first BMW, a 91 E30. The ones from our > E34, E36 and my two E39s > are identical. The E38 is the only one I haven't > dealt with, and that's > because the primary driver listens to talk radio > most of the time. You completely cut off all the wires from the stock amp harness and hook them up to an aftermarket amplifier? Do you put the aftermarket amp in the same place as the stock amp location? I'm pretty interested in this now that you mention it, as I bought the car with almost everything I would possibly want to do to it already installed, except for a very good sound system. > The answer to what to do after you cut the harness > when you sell the car is > easy- I just pull out my xtant amp and put in an el > cheapo amp (<$200) and > that's the end of it. No drama, a bit more work than > just plugging in a > stock amp but I can do it in less than an hour and > the sound is still > *miles* better than stock. That xtant has been in my > last three cars dating > back to '98. > > Back to the head unit install- make sure you connect > the antenna turn on > lead to the antenna lead in the car, so that the > amplifier for your rear > glass antenna gets power, otherwise your reception > will stink. HAHAHA! I figured the antenna lead on new stereo harnesses was for cars that had an actual power retracting antenna, like there is in the E30. I remember hooking that one wire up for the antenna in my old E30 and thought that was its sole purpose. ;) In the E36 I just figured that the reception of the car was crappy with those built-in window antennas, and I've just put up with it in my last E36 as well as the one now. I have to remove the radio again so I can reinstall it more tightly, as it makes noises on bumpy roads, so I can hook up that wire and be amazed at how much better the reception is. Woohoo! > Back to lurk mode, > > -felix > Miami,fl > 01 540/6 factory sirius, bluetooth, and > aforementioned amp > 98 740 > 95 525 alpine head unit in matching red lighting, > soundstream amp Ahh, ranting over. I feel better. :) Thanks, Brian 95 M3 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 May 2005 17:01:39 -0700 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [email protected] Subject: <E36> Kumho tires Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Any positive experiences with the Kumho 712's for an everday tar? How about BF Traction T/A or Pirelli Nero M&S. This is for the E36 , 328. -Kevin ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 May 2005 19:04:17 -0500 From: "Ivan Demkovitch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, <[email protected]> Subject: Re: <E36> Kumho tires Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 712s become noisy and bad in rain with time. I heard good things about Kumho MX. -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, May 12, 2005 7:02 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [UUC] <E36> Kumho tires Any positive experiences with the Kumho 712's for an everday tar? How about BF Traction T/A or Pirelli Nero M&S. This is for the E36 , 328. -Kevin Search the ARCHIVES:http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected] __________________________________________________________________________ In memory of Michel Potheau - friend, enthusiast, founder of the BMW CCA. UUC Motorwerks - BMW Performance Fine-tuning and home of the Ultimate Short Shifter - accept no substitutes! 908-874-9092 . http://www.uucmotorwerks.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.11.8 - Release Date: 5/10/2005 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.11.8 - Release Date: 5/10/2005 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 May 2005 20:21:56 -0400 From: "Gary Derian" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[email protected]>, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: <E36> Kumho tires Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I've used Traction T/As. They are very good. I like them because they have an AA traction grade and dual nylon cap plies. Those items are my minimum requirements for tires. Gary Derian > Any positive experiences with the Kumho 712's for an everday tar? > How about BF Traction T/A or Pirelli Nero M&S. > This is for the E36 , 328. > > -Kevin ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 May 2005 20:00:17 -0500 From: "Paul Garnier" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[email protected]> Subject: Re: <E36> Kumho tires Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> DON'T DO IT!! 712's get real noisy real fast. Traction is only ok and gets worse as it ages. The 712 is an old design and old technology. Go get a set of Firehawk SZ50's if yer on a budget. The best tires I ever put on my minivan! LOL I've been thru the following on my e36M3 with the following results. 712's - See above 711's - I like this better than the 712 and they cost half as much. Lower traction rating tho Ecsta MX's - Great tire but short lived. Last pair of rears lasted 2500 miles. No, I wasn't doing burnouts. Eagle F1 GSD3's - Wonderful tire, but definitly street oriented. Nuthin better in the rain. Pilot Sport PS2's - This tire was made for my car. Dunno about mileage yet. Paul A. Garnier Systems Integration FastNetworking 281-827-0725 cell/pgr -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, May 12, 2005 7:02 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [UUC] <E36> Kumho tires Any positive experiences with the Kumho 712's for an everday tar? How about BF Traction T/A or Pirelli Nero M&S. This is for the E36 , 328. -Kevin Search the ARCHIVES:http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected] __________________________________________________________________________ In memory of Michel Potheau - friend, enthusiast, founder of the BMW CCA. UUC Motorwerks - BMW Performance Fine-tuning and home of the Ultimate Short Shifter - accept no substitutes! 908-874-9092 . http://www.uucmotorwerks.com ------------------------------ End of [bmwuucdigest] digest(15 messages) **********
