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Why Infiniti FXs and GM SUVs sucketh
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Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2006 09:57:35 -0500
From: "Dennis Liu" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "911" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
<[email protected]>
Subject: Why Infiniti FXs and GM SUVs sucketh
Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Man, my serious dislike for newish GM SUVs has turned into serious hatred,
but still relatively moderate compared to my desire to burn Infiniti FX SUVs
to the ground (and possibly Q45s and M35s too).
Why?
Because the frakkin' CHMSL on the GMs are LEDs, and all manage to set off
the laser detector. Grrr. Incredibly irritating, especially in dense
traffic, when you're stuck behind one. Braaaap. Braaaap. Braaaap.
Braaaap. Braaaap. Braaaap.
But that's a minor offense compared to the Infiniti.
At least the falsing from the GM SUVs are relatively localized - have to be
behind them, with them BRAKING, at relatively close range.
Whereas the FRAKKIN' LASER CRUISE CONTROL on the Infiniti FX (Q45s and/or
M35s too?) will set off the laser detector from a half mile away.
ARRGH. Typical scenario: casually cruising down the highway. Braaaap.
Brake, Defcon 5, adrenaline, horizon scan. Invariably, it's a frakkin' FX45
going the other way. Arrgh.
Man, if my car was equipped with a BGM-71 TOW missle...
Vty,
--Dennis
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Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2006 10:45:51 -0500 (EST)
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [email protected] (bmw list)
Subject: Re: Why Infiniti FXs and GM SUVs sucketh
Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>From Dennis Liu
>
>Whereas the FRAKKIN' LASER CRUISE CONTROL on the Infiniti FX (Q45s and/or
>M35s too?) will set off the laser detector from a half mile away.
>
>ARRGH. Typical scenario: casually cruising down the highway. Braaaap.
>Brake, Defcon 5, adrenaline, horizon scan. Invariably, it's a frakkin' FX45
>going the other way. Arrgh.
>
>Man, if my car was equipped with a BGM-71 TOW missle...
>
>Vty,
>
So what kind of signal do you need to send out to cause the on-comming laser
guided cruise control to decide that it needs to turn off and apply the
brakes to avoid a collision?
-- Joe
--
Joseph M. Krzeszewski Network Operations and Security
[EMAIL PROTECTED] Worcester Polytechnic Institute
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Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2006 09:56:26 -0600
From: "Jamie Howton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Cc: "bmw list" <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: Why Infiniti FXs and GM SUVs sucketh
Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> So what kind of signal do you need to send out to cause the on-comming laser
> guided cruise control to decide that it needs to turn off and apply the
> brakes to avoid a collision?
Well unfortunately on Infinitis, the cruise control shoots out its
laser beam approximately every 30 seconds even when cruise is turned
off. Also, the way the cruise works is that it doesn't apply the
brakes at all, it just modulates the throttle to slow the car down.
My wife has an FX-35 which I love except for this feature.
OTOH I have also had my V1 set off by BMW LED brake lights so maybe we
should burn all new BMWs to the ground too...
--
Jamie Howton
2006 M Roadster
2004 645Ci
1995 M3
Hampshire, IL
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Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2006 10:49:54 -0500
From: "Dennis Liu" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[email protected]>, "911" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Cc: "'Ken Rentiers'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Why Infiniti FXs and GM SUVs sucketh
Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Joe wrote:
>So what kind of signal do you need to send out to cause the on-comming
laser guided cruise control to decide that it needs to turn off and apply
the brakes to avoid a collision?
Hah!!! A friend of mine just sent me this:
>I'm quoting here..."Intelligent Cruise Control. Like normal cruise
control, this system allows you to set a speed and have the system maintain
the set speed without holding your foot on the gas. The difference with the
laser cruise system is that it is watching ahead and if it sees a car in
your lane traveling slower than you, it will automatically slow you down and
maintain a preset following distance, even applying the brakes if necessary
to maintain a safe distance. If more than 30% braking is required to avoid
hitting the car ahead, a warning chime will sound telling you to put the
latte down and get back to driving the car."
Now - we already know the laser frequency: all that is needed is a good
strong directional IR beam mounted on the bumper pointing slightly left.
Someone really good could hook it up to the laser detector, but a manual
switch will suffice, and allows you to wait for it....until the latte
sucking perp in the Infiniti FX is only 30 yards away.
Now- HIT THE SWITCH and watch the FX brakes spill latte all over to SOB's
lap bwahhahahahahahahahaaaaaaaaa!!!!!
I crack myself up! (Your brights may work - try it)
-ken-
Vty,
--Dennis
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Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2006 11:35:24 -0500 (EST)
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [email protected] (bmw list)
Subject: Re: Why Infiniti FXs and GM SUVs sucketh
Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>From Dennis Liu
>
>Now - we already know the laser frequency: all that is needed is a good
>strong directional IR beam mounted on the bumper pointing slightly left.
>Someone really good could hook it up to the laser detector, but a manual
>switch will suffice, and allows you to wait for it....until the latte
>sucking perp in the Infiniti FX is only 30 yards away.
>
>Now- HIT THE SWITCH and watch the FX brakes spill latte all over to SOB's
>lap bwahhahahahahahahahaaaaaaaaa!!!!!
>
>I crack myself up! (Your brights may work - try it)
>
Hmmm... GM LED lights set off the laser detector as do the cruise control
systems. Not all LED lights set off the laser detector. There must be some
modulation happening here... which would make sense as it would prevent
headlights and other light sources from interfering with the cruise control.
If it gets an echo, it better have the same modulation as what I send,
otherwise it isn't from me.
So, presumably, the GM LED brake lights and the cruise control laser are
close in modulation frequency. I wonder if GM LED brake lights cause instant
disengagement and/or braking in Infinitis... I wonder if police using laser
speed sensing equipment cause the Infiniti cruise control systems to
disengage...
Could be interesting...
-- Joe
--
Joseph M. Krzeszewski Network Operations and Security
[EMAIL PROTECTED] Worcester Polytechnic Institute
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Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2006 09:01:16 -0800
From: Mark Dadgar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: Why Infiniti FXs and GM SUVs sucketh
Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
On Dec 11, 2006, at 6:57 AM, Dennis Liu wrote:
> Man, my serious dislike for newish GM SUVs has turned into serious
> hatred,
> but still relatively moderate compared to my desire to burn
> Infiniti FX SUVs
> to the ground (and possibly Q45s and M35s too).
>
> Why?
>
> Because the frakkin' CHMSL on the GMs are LEDs, and all manage to
> set off
> the laser detector. Grrr. Incredibly irritating, especially in dense
> traffic, when you're stuck behind one. Braaaap. Braaaap. Braaaap.
> Braaaap. Braaaap. Braaaap.
>
> But that's a minor offense compared to the Infiniti.
>
> At least the falsing from the GM SUVs are relatively localized -
> have to be
> behind them, with them BRAKING, at relatively close range.
>
> Whereas the FRAKKIN' LASER CRUISE CONTROL on the Infiniti FX (Q45s
> and/or
> M35s too?) will set off the laser detector from a half mile away.
Just turn off laser sensing on your V1. It's a basically worthless
feature. If it senses legitimate laser on your car you're going to
get a ticket, so the flashing lights on the police cruiser will alert
you anyway.
- Mark
-----
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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http://www.justracing.com/homepage/mdadgar
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Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2006 12:07:57 -0500
From: "Dennis Liu" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: Why Infiniti FXs and GM SUVs sucketh
Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Mark wrote:
>Just turn off laser sensing on your V1. It's a basically worthless
feature. If it senses legitimate laser on your car you're going to get a
ticket, so the flashing lights on the police cruiser will alert you anyway.
Mark, you're mostly right - when it goes off (and if it's not a friggin'
Infiniti, or not me turning on my washers while the sun is low in the
horizon and I'm headed into it), it's usually the cop shooting ME with the
laser.
BUT, it has also warned me via backscatter off a car ahead of me, often
enough that I leave it on. The ratio is skewed, maybe 20:1 or even higher,
but given the rising use of laser guns, I still keep the warning enabled
because it has saved me a few times. What I really need is a Blinder laser
jammer, but, candidly, it's a huge PITA to buy multiple units and install
them on all the cars (yeah, I'm cheap, though it'd probably be cheaper in
the long run if I just sucked it up and did it).
I should turn off, however, the REAR laser warning on the V1. Now THAT is
useless!
Vty,
--Dennis
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Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2006 12:48:59 -0500
From: "Gary Derian" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: Why Infiniti FXs and GM SUVs sucketh
Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
If you already have a Valentine 1 with laser, all you need is a pile of 904
nm LEDs, about a buck each
Gary Derian
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dennis Liu" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <>
Sent: Monday, December 11, 2006 12:07 PM
Subject: Re: [UUC] Why Infiniti FXs and GM SUVs sucketh
> Mark wrote:
>
>>Just turn off laser sensing on your V1. It's a basically worthless
> feature. If it senses legitimate laser on your car you're going to get a
> ticket, so the flashing lights on the police cruiser will alert you
> anyway.
>
> Mark, you're mostly right - when it goes off (and if it's not a friggin'
> Infiniti, or not me turning on my washers while the sun is low in the
> horizon and I'm headed into it), it's usually the cop shooting ME with the
> laser.
>
> BUT, it has also warned me via backscatter off a car ahead of me, often
> enough that I leave it on. The ratio is skewed, maybe 20:1 or even
> higher,
> but given the rising use of laser guns, I still keep the warning enabled
> because it has saved me a few times. What I really need is a Blinder
> laser
> jammer, but, candidly, it's a huge PITA to buy multiple units and install
> them on all the cars (yeah, I'm cheap, though it'd probably be cheaper in
> the long run if I just sucked it up and did it).
>
> I should turn off, however, the REAR laser warning on the V1. Now THAT is
> useless!
>
> Vty,
>
> --Dennis
>
> Search the ARCHIVES:http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]
>
>
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>
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Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2006 13:27:21 -0500
From: "Dennis Liu" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: Why Infiniti FXs and GM SUVs sucketh
Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
WHAT?!?!?!?!? DO TELL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
-----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gary Derian
Sent: Monday, December 11, 2006 12:49 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [email protected]
Subject: Re: [UUC] Why Infiniti FXs and GM SUVs sucketh
If you already have a Valentine 1 with laser, all you need is a pile of 904
nm LEDs, about a buck each Gary Derian
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dennis Liu" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <>
Sent: Monday, December 11, 2006 12:07 PM
Subject: Re: [UUC] Why Infiniti FXs and GM SUVs sucketh
> Mark wrote:
>
>>Just turn off laser sensing on your V1. It's a basically worthless
> feature. If it senses legitimate laser on your car you're going to get a
> ticket, so the flashing lights on the police cruiser will alert you
> anyway.
>
> Mark, you're mostly right - when it goes off (and if it's not a friggin'
> Infiniti, or not me turning on my washers while the sun is low in the
> horizon and I'm headed into it), it's usually the cop shooting ME with the
> laser.
>
> BUT, it has also warned me via backscatter off a car ahead of me, often
> enough that I leave it on. The ratio is skewed, maybe 20:1 or even
> higher,
> but given the rising use of laser guns, I still keep the warning enabled
> because it has saved me a few times. What I really need is a Blinder
> laser
> jammer, but, candidly, it's a huge PITA to buy multiple units and install
> them on all the cars (yeah, I'm cheap, though it'd probably be cheaper in
> the long run if I just sucked it up and did it).
>
> I should turn off, however, the REAR laser warning on the V1. Now THAT is
> useless!
>
> Vty,
>
> --Dennis
>
> Search the ARCHIVES:http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]
>
>
> __________________________________________________________________________
> In memory of Michel Potheau - friend, enthusiast, founder of the BMW CCA.
>
> UUC Motorwerks - BMW Performance Fine-tuning and home of the Ultimate
> Short Shifter - accept no substitutes!
> 908-874-9092 . http://www.uucmotorwerks.com
Search the ARCHIVES:http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]
__________________________________________________________________________
In memory of Michel Potheau - friend, enthusiast, founder of the BMW CCA.
UUC Motorwerks - BMW Performance Fine-tuning and home of the Ultimate
Short Shifter - accept no substitutes!
908-874-9092 . http://www.uucmotorwerks.com
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Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2006 14:07:39 -0500
From: "Gary Derian" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: Why Infiniti FXs and GM SUVs sucketh
Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Not much to tell, wire them up. They operate at about 3.5 volts, so sets of
4 in series, then the sets in parallel should work on a 14 volt system. Put
them in a box, around the front license plate, or wherever you want.
Gary Derian
> WHAT?!?!?!?!? DO TELL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>
> If you already have a Valentine 1 with laser, all you need is a pile of
> 904
> nm LEDs, about a buck each Gary Derian
>
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Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2006 13:00:10 -0800 (PST)
From: Andre Yew <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: Why Infiniti FXs and GM SUVs sucketh
Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
On Mon, 11 Dec 2006, Gary Derian wrote:
> Not much to tell, wire them up. They operate at about 3.5 volts, so sets of
> 4 in series, then the sets in parallel should work on a 14 volt system. Put
> them in a box, around the front license plate, or wherever you want.
Don't forget the current limiting resistor, too. A 1 kOhm between the
LEDs and ground or 14V should be fine --- check the LED specs to see what
the max current is, and compute the resistance in Ohms by R = 14V/(I/N),
where I is the max current in Amps, and N is the number of parallel sets
you have. Lower resistance makes the LED brighter, but use too much
current, and you'll kill the LEDs --- I'm not sure how bright they have to
be to make laser guns detect them. Make sure the resistor's power rating
will handle what you're doing, too.
If you break your car, it's not my fault.
--Andre
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Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2006 12:13:52 -0500
From: KMS- Brett Anderson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: UUC Digest <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: Why Infiniti FXs and GM SUVs sucketh
Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Mark Dadgar wrote:
> Just turn off laser sensing on your V1. It's a basically worthless
> feature. If it senses legitimate laser on your car you're going to get
> a ticket, so the flashing lights on the police cruiser will alert you
> anyway.
This is actually untrue. While it is the case most of the time, I have
been saved by my the laser detection on the V1 at least 3 times. In
each case, the cop required a second, and even a third, shot to get a
reading. I don't know why, but surmise it had something to do with the
Xenon lights, at night.
Also, if you're running a Laser Blinder, then it's additional warning
when you get hit, over and above the Blinder's alarm.
Brett Anderson
KMS
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Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2006 09:16:08 -0800
From: "Marco Romani" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: Why Infiniti FXs and GM SUVs sucketh
Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
I pretty much agree with Mark - in an urban setting I turn the damn thing
off, out on the open highway I will use it in the off chance I'll get a
warning from a reflection off some other poor sucker.
A bud swears by these
http://www.radarbusters.com/products/blinder/default.asp
If he wasn't a dealer I'd look into getting a distributor ship - I don't
like competing with friends ;-) plus he sends business my way for data acq
systems so I can't complain.
Marco
-----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mark Dadgar
Sent: Monday, December 11, 2006 9:01 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [UUC] Why Infiniti FXs and GM SUVs sucketh
On Dec 11, 2006, at 6:57 AM, Dennis Liu wrote:
> Man, my serious dislike for newish GM SUVs has turned into serious
> hatred,
> but still relatively moderate compared to my desire to burn
> Infiniti FX SUVs
> to the ground (and possibly Q45s and M35s too).
>
> Why?
>
> Because the frakkin' CHMSL on the GMs are LEDs, and all manage to
> set off
> the laser detector. Grrr. Incredibly irritating, especially in dense
> traffic, when you're stuck behind one. Braaaap. Braaaap. Braaaap.
> Braaaap. Braaaap. Braaaap.
>
> But that's a minor offense compared to the Infiniti.
>
> At least the falsing from the GM SUVs are relatively localized -
> have to be
> behind them, with them BRAKING, at relatively close range.
>
> Whereas the FRAKKIN' LASER CRUISE CONTROL on the Infiniti FX (Q45s
> and/or
> M35s too?) will set off the laser detector from a half mile away.
Just turn off laser sensing on your V1. It's a basically worthless
feature. If it senses legitimate laser on your car you're going to
get a ticket, so the flashing lights on the police cruiser will alert
you anyway.
- Mark
-----
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Check out my JustRacing Home Page at:
http://www.justracing.com/homepage/mdadgar
Search the ARCHIVES:http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]
__________________________________________________________________________
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UUC Motorwerks - BMW Performance Fine-tuning and home of the Ultimate Short
Shifter - accept no substitutes! 908-874-9092 . http://www.uucmotorwerks.com
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Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2006 14:56:01 -0500
From: "Jason Kay" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Gary Derian" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [email protected]
Subject: Re: Why Infiniti FXs and GM SUVs sucketh
Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
OK, being a Mech E., I jsut hit up my EE counterpart, who dug up a 16 samples
in the stock room (901nm).
I just found the perfect xmas present for my better half :)
Pictures to follow after the holidays... of the install that is.
THANKS FOR THE IDEA!
-Jason
'86 951 "Sparky"
'70 240Z "Dusty"
'97 Contour "Bambi"
'03 325xi "Daisy"
> Not much to tell, wire them up. They operate at about 3.5 volts, so sets of
> 4 in series, then the sets in parallel should work on a 14 volt system. Put
> them in a box, around the front license plate, or wherever you want.
> Gary Derian
>
>
>
> > WHAT?!?!?!?!? DO TELL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
> >
> > If you already have a Valentine 1 with laser, all you need is a pile of
> > 904
> > nm LEDs, about a buck each Gary Derian
> >
>
> Search the ARCHIVES:http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]
>
>
> __________________________________________________________________________
> In memory of Michel Potheau - friend, enthusiast, founder of the BMW CCA.
>
> UUC Motorwerks - BMW Performance Fine-tuning and home of the Ultimate
> Short Shifter - accept no substitutes!
> 908-874-9092 . http://www.uucmotorwerks.com
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