The BMW UUC Digest Volume 3 : Issue 357 : "text" Format Messages in this Issue: Re: so I found this cheap little 750il.. Re: so I found this cheap little 750il.. Re: so I found this cheap little 750il... Re: so I found this cheap little 750il... Re: so I found this cheap little 750il... Re: so I found this cheap little 750il... Re: so I found this cheap little 750il... Re: so I found this cheap little 750il... Re: so I found this cheap little 750il... Re: so I found this cheap little 750il... Schnitzer S3 on sale Re: [ UUC ] model question Re: [ UUC ] model question Re: [ UUC ] model question
---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2007 18:14:19 -0600 From: "Paul Garnier" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[email protected]> Subject: Re: so I found this cheap little 750il.. Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> When a 750 gets this cheap it invariably has suffered a lack of maintenance, add that to high mileage and you have a recipe for a parts car! When I went to view this car, I would have told you just that. When I saw, then drove the car, I was so surprised I had to have it inspected, when I discovered how good a shape it was in I had to buy it. It seems the 1st owner was very gentle on the car and was conscientious about the dealer taking care of everything that went wrong. It appears the car suffered at the hands of the second owner, but not enough to have been roughed up. The car has never been in an accident and the paint is original, it appears to have been garage kept as well as the paint is not burnt nor is the rubber cracked. The leather was also not abused, no cracking or even excessive wear. No stains or foul odors either. Properly functioning big ticket items like the transmission, EDC - self leveling shocks, ventilation systems, were definitely factors in my purchase decision. I'm quite happy with my decision, and if anyone in Houston wants to see it in person, lemme know...gimme an excuse to drive it, or you'll probably see it at the next club event. Paul A. Garnier Houston, TX 281-827-0725 www.fastnetworking.com -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, January 03, 2007 4:11 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [UUC] so I found this cheap little 750il.. Paul, This E38 looks like it hasn't been well cared for. What's with the hanging handle on the glove box and the dash area is in sad shape. It all looks like more than any 147k, I'd put on my E32. Although all of those pieces can be replaced. You will want to check the radiator, water pump(s)[engine block and aux], check all the electricals by flipping every switch, front thrust rod bushings, idler arm bushing, tie rods, intake boots and gaskets, antifreeze change history, interior headliner, seat controls, diff oil change history, tranny ATF history (very important), plugs, oil leaking around the upper oil pan section, drive shaft u-joints, throttle motors, and the vacuum lines that go to the throttle motor and vapor recovery canister. -Kevin ---------------------------------------------------------------- This e-mail communication is confidential and is intended only for the individual(s) or entity named above and others who have been specifically authorized to receive it. If you are not the intended recipient, please do not read, copy, use or disclose the contents of this communication to others. Please notify the sender that you have received this e-mail in error by replying to the e-mail. Please then delete the e-mail and any copies of it. Thank you. ---------------------------------------------------------------- Search the ARCHIVES:http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected] __________________________________________________________________________ In memory of Michel Potheau - friend, enthusiast, founder of the BMW CCA. UUC Motorwerks - BMW Performance Fine-tuning and home of the Ultimate Short Shifter - accept no substitutes! 908-874-9092 . http://www.uucmotorwerks.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 04 Jan 2007 19:46:02 -0500 From: "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [email protected] Subject: Re: so I found this cheap little 750il.. Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Awesome! Welcome to the E38 community! - Rob ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Garnier" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [UUC] so I found this cheap little 750il.. Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2007 18:14:19 -0600 > When a 750 gets this cheap it invariably has suffered a > lack of maintenance, add that to high mileage and you have > a recipe for a parts car! When I went to view this car, I > would have told you just that. When I saw, then drove the > car, I was so surprised I had to have it inspected, when I > discovered how good a shape it was in I had to buy it. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2007 19:56:55 -0600 From: "Paul Garnier" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[email protected]> Subject: Re: so I found this cheap little 750il... Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Tech article on the 7 series digest says leave 5% of new value for yearly maintenance...that would be..umm...$5k!! OMG, Please no!, What have I done?!?! LOL Paul A. Garnier Houston, TX 281-827-0725 www.fastnetworking.com -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Alex Cagann Sent: Wednesday, January 03, 2007 4:31 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [UUC] so I found this cheap little 750il... There is no question that $5,000 is a good deal for this car...however, the main reason these cars go for so cheap now is maintenance costs. Tech's and others say they are pretty reliable...well, that's all fine and dandy until something goes wrong. If you have $5,000 to buy a car, and don't have money left over and some cash reserves month to month, then I would think twice...because this car requires expensive upkeep. You need to realize that even though you are paying $5,000 for this car, you are keeping up maintenance on a $90k plus car. People may disagree with me here, but I would set aside about $2,000 a year to keep this sucker running. Alex Cagann Search the ARCHIVES:http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected] __________________________________________________________________________ In memory of Michel Potheau - friend, enthusiast, founder of the BMW CCA. UUC Motorwerks - BMW Performance Fine-tuning and home of the Ultimate Short Shifter - accept no substitutes! 908-874-9092 . http://www.uucmotorwerks.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2007 21:12:33 -0600 From: "Alex Cagann" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "'Paul Garnier'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, <[email protected]> Subject: Re: so I found this cheap little 750il... Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> This sort of thing is the reason that, last month, I bought a 2001 Mercedes Benz CL600 Sport for $23,000. The window sticker was $129,000, and it was in the glove box. The car was immaculate in every way...sold it a couple weeks later, but had trouble (the PPI came back with small stuff, but that small stuff amounted to about $6,000 for this sucker), and got $25,500 for it. The twelve cylinder big boys take HUGE hits. 98 S600's aren't worth much, as you may guess. You can get by if you know someone OTHER than the dealer to work on it...hopefully you do. If you take it into a BMW dealer, you may as well walk up to the service desk, turn around, bend over, and tell them to have their way with you:-) Alex Cagann > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:bmwuucdigest- > [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Paul Garnier > Sent: Thursday, January 04, 2007 7:57 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [UUC] so I found this cheap little 750il... > > Tech article on the 7 series digest says leave 5% of new value for yearly > maintenance...that would be..umm...$5k!! > > OMG, Please no!, What have I done?!?! LOL > > Paul A. Garnier > Houston, TX > 281-827-0725 > www.fastnetworking.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2007 19:48:52 -0800 From: David Thomas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [email protected] Subject: Re: so I found this cheap little 750il... Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> On Thursday 04 January 2007 7:12 pm, Alex Cagann wrote: > You can get by if you know someone OTHER than the > dealer to work on it...hopefully you do. If you take it into a BMW dealer, > you may as well walk up to the service desk, turn around, bend over, and > tell them to have their way with you:-) Frankly, that holds true for my 22 year old E30, if your going to play with older BMW's having the dealer service it is just about the most retarded thing you can do. I think its also safe to assume that anyone on this list that would buy a $5K 7 series is capable of working on their own car. The way I see it: Nice car for $5K? Buy it. What do you have to loose? (those that pay a dealer $2K to fix a oil leak on a e36 need not reply to that question) Way to go Paul...you totally scored. That's a car I would snatch up in a quick second. Dave ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2007 23:09:54 -0600 From: "Alex Cagann" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "'David Thomas'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, <[email protected]> Subject: Re: so I found this cheap little 750il... Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Well...ok, let's hear some franchise dealer quote stories from listers. I have one from last week to begin this. Car is a 2003 Lexus, dealer is the local Indianapolis Lexus dealer. I sold him this car about a year ago. It is time for tires and brake pads...his wife is pregnant (more on that in a minute). He goes to Tom Wood, drops it off for a quote. Goes back later that day with his wife to pick it up because the quote...now get this...(again, we are talking four new tires and 4 brake pads)....$2,000. They wanted $800 to put new pads on and $1,200 for new tires. WHAT THE???? What the hell kind of tires are these I wonder...this car has 16 inch by 7.5 wheels. $1,200???? Wait...what about the $800 for pads. I'm trying to figure this out. Well, I got him four tires for $65 each ($260) and we got the brake pads at Autozone for $75 and installed them in about 1 our. Total price for parts and another $40 for mounting and balancing the tires: $375. He would have paid $2,000 plus $120 in sales tax at the dealer. Well, you see these new fancy buildings all these franchise dealers are building...someone has to pay. It wasn't too long ago that I was up at the local BMW dealer and they were putting in a beautiful ceramic tile floor in the service area...and we are talking huge square feet here. Well, there is one story...I've got plenty of them, this is just the most recent laugh I had. Wait, I almost forgot the best part. Remember the pregnant wife? Well, when he goes in to pick the car up, and refuses the job...they nag him. He tells them he is going to do the brakes himself with a mechanically inclined friend for a far more reasonable price. They say, "You are doing your own brake job?" He says hell yes. OK, here's where the pregnant wife comes in...they say, to him, in front of her, "Do you feel that is safe? This job should be left to a professional...do you really want your pregnant wife and unborn child driving around in that car?" I'm really not sure what to think about all that rot. If they said that in front of my wife under the same circumstance, I would probably call my attorney and give them hell. Alex > Frankly, that holds true for my 22 year old E30, if your going to play > with > older BMW's having the dealer service it is just about the most retarded > thing you can do. I think its also safe to assume that anyone on this list > that would buy a $5K 7 series is capable of working on their own car. The > way > I see it: Nice car for $5K? Buy it. What do you have to loose? (those that > pay a dealer $2K to fix a oil leak on a e36 need not reply to that > question) > > Way to go Paul...you totally scored. That's a car I would snatch up in a > quick > second. > > Dave ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2007 21:13:12 -0800 From: David Thomas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [email protected] Subject: Re: so I found this cheap little 750il... Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> On Thursday 04 January 2007 9:09 pm, Alex Cagann wrote: > Wait, I almost forgot the best part. Remember the pregnant wife? Well, > when he goes in to pick the car up, and refuses the job...they nag him. He > tells them he is going to do the brakes himself with a mechanically > inclined friend for a far more reasonable price. They say, "You are doing > your own brake job?" He says hell yes. OK, here's where the pregnant wife > comes in...they say, to him, in front of her, "Do you feel that is safe? > This job should be left to a professional...do you really want your > pregnant wife and unborn child driving around in that car?" I'm really not > sure what to think about all that rot. If they said that in front of my > wife under the same circumstance, I would probably call my attorney and > give them hell. > > Alex Playing devils advocate here: If someone brought their car to me and it needed a gang of work, I would also tell them they could not do the job, and lets face it...who takes a car to a shop when they are capable of doing it themselves? Not many. At least on this list. Who on here has a car that is not a hobby? I would be most of these shops hear 'I can do it myself' all the time, but I doubt most of those people are actually qualified, if they were...they would not need someones opinions on what needed to be done ;-) At the least, they would know how to find a good wrench that could do the job at a decent rate. Dave T ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 04 Jan 2007 22:27:53 -0800 From: Kazuto Okayasu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [email protected] Subject: Re: so I found this cheap little 750il... Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> At 09:13 PM 1/4/2007, David Thomas wrote: >On Thursday 04 January 2007 9:09 pm, Alex Cagann wrote: > > Wait, I almost forgot the best part. Remember the pregnant wife? Well, > > when he goes in to pick the car up, and refuses the job...they nag him. He > > tells them he is going to do the brakes himself with a mechanically > > inclined friend for a far more reasonable price. They say, "You are doing > > your own brake job?" He says hell yes. OK, here's where the pregnant wife > > comes in...they say, to him, in front of her, "Do you feel that is safe? > > This job should be left to a professional...do you really want your > > pregnant wife and unborn child driving around in that car?" I'm really not > > sure what to think about all that rot. If they said that in front of my > > wife under the same circumstance, I would probably call my attorney and > > give them hell. > > > > Alex > >Playing devils advocate here: If someone brought their car to me and >it needed >a gang of work, I would also tell them they could not do the job, and lets >face it...who takes a car to a shop when they are capable of doing it >themselves? Not many. At least on this list. Who on here has a car that is >not a hobby? I would be most of these shops hear 'I can do it myself' all the >time, but I doubt most of those people are actually qualified, if they >were...they would not need someones opinions on what needed to be done ;-) At >the least, they would know how to find a good wrench that could do the job at >a decent rate. > >Dave T Not speaking for Alex, but IMO the problem I would have is the dealer insinuating that you not handing them $2000 means you are threatening the life of your family. Granted, tone can be a factor, but even if I were not a car guy, I wouldn't put up this kind of behavior. Kazuto Okayasu Manager, Desktop Support Services Administrative Computing Services, University of California, Irvine [EMAIL PROTECTED] ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2007 22:43:06 -0800 From: David Thomas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [email protected] Subject: Re: so I found this cheap little 750il... Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> On Thursday 04 January 2007 10:27 pm, Kazuto Okayasu wrote: > Not speaking for Alex, but IMO the problem I would have is the dealer > insinuating that you not handing them $2000 means you are threatening > the life of your family. Granted, tone can be a factor, but even if > I were not a car guy, I wouldn't put up this kind of behavior. Whats not to put up with? That they assumed that the person that brought the car in was not up to the task? Does not seem like a problem to me, more of of a CYA thing. Don't like the advice, ignore it, but to be offended by it and consider calling your lawyer is really stupid. Odds are if you did not know what needed to be done, your brake job may be a hazard to your wife, not to mention everyone else on the road. People that know what needs to be done don't seek professional opinions. Don't get me wrong...I smell what your cooking...but you cant expect shops to assume people know what they are doing and to suggest they do it themselves. In a world with no lawyers they might get away with it, but not in this country. Dave ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2007 20:17:20 -0600 From: "Bill Proud" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Paul Garnier" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, <[email protected]> Subject: Re: so I found this cheap little 750il... Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> You have done one of three things depending on luck or personal circumstance .... A) Got a fine running bargain B) Got an expensive ornament for the front lawn C) If married , you have ensured lots of 'compensatory ' trips to little-known stores like Nieman-Markus and Fred's Diamonds .. Beepee .....hoping you got an A) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Garnier" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, January 04, 2007 7:56 PM Subject: Re: [UUC] so I found this cheap little 750il... > Tech article on the 7 series digest says leave 5% of new value for yearly > maintenance...that would be..umm...$5k!! > > OMG, Please no!, What have I done?!?! LOL > > Paul A. Garnier > Houston, TX > 281-827-0725 > www.fastnetworking.com > > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Alex Cagann > Sent: Wednesday, January 03, 2007 4:31 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [UUC] so I found this cheap little 750il... > > There is no question that $5,000 is a good deal for this car...however, > the > main reason these cars go for so cheap now is maintenance costs. Tech's > and > others say they are pretty reliable...well, that's all fine and dandy > until > something goes wrong. If you have $5,000 to buy a car, and don't have > money > left over and some cash reserves month to month, then I would think > twice...because this car requires expensive upkeep. You need to realize > that > even though you are paying $5,000 for this car, you are keeping up > maintenance on a $90k plus car. People may disagree with me here, but I > would set aside about $2,000 a year to keep this sucker running. > > Alex Cagann > > > > Search the ARCHIVES:http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected] > > > __________________________________________________________________________ > In memory of Michel Potheau - friend, enthusiast, founder of the BMW CCA. > > UUC Motorwerks - BMW Performance Fine-tuning and home of the Ultimate > Short Shifter - accept no substitutes! > 908-874-9092 . http://www.uucmotorwerks.com > > > > Search the ARCHIVES:http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected] > > > __________________________________________________________________________ > In memory of Michel Potheau - friend, enthusiast, founder of the BMW CCA. > > UUC Motorwerks - BMW Performance Fine-tuning and home of the Ultimate > Short Shifter - accept no substitutes! > 908-874-9092 . http://www.uucmotorwerks.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2007 20:45:41 -0600 From: "Bill Proud" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Uucdigest" <[email protected]> Subject: Schnitzer S3 on sale Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> OK , WHO amongst you has an E46M3 with widebody A C Schnitzer kit and wheels in Polaris silver ........? Who WANTS one ?? I just found one today for under $20 !! OK so it's a 1;18 scale diecast metal one and it was at (OOH the PC incorrectness of it !! ) Walmart in their post-holiday sale of toys -out in the Garden shop ! If you want one too , go looking for a horribly gaudy black and yellow box plastered with "DUB CITY " and "Euro-spec " ...but with those magic words "AC Schnitzer S3 " printed on the clear-seethru ....... Made by a very good diecast modeler called JADA . Openable hood, doors and trunk . ACS style wheels and widebody kit plus front dam and airsplitters etc . What more could a big boy spend his holiday allowance on ?? Ask the nice lady in the toy dept whether she has any stock for Item # 90311 ..........or UPC code 0130 90311 after checking out www.jadatoys.com Bill Proud ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 04 Jan 2007 21:49:07 -0500 From: Mark Alan Selleck <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: BMW list <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [ UUC ] model question Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sorry about the missing info. The rims are 9" wide. I don't know the offset.(# on rim is 9JX17H2) The car in question was originally ordered/purchased new in Germany by a member of the US armed forces, with a sport package/custom suspension/custom exhaust. The rims/tires in question were supposedly mounted by BMW (probably dealer) when the car was new. After the car was shipped back to this country it was purchased by the woman my son bought it from.(Recently married, her husband drives an M3, and they decided a "family" car will be needed.). The car has just over 60k on the odometer, and looks and drives great, but, with four people in the car the rear tires get rubbed when a bump/dip in the road is encountered. Since my son is single, and will mainly be driving it without a lot of weight in the back, I expect it's OK, just not perfect. Thanks for any input. Mark Selleck Rich Dorffer wrote: There are a few pieces of information that is missing such as the width of the wheel as well as the offset. The 323i had a wheel option as large as 18" x 8.5" in the rear (or a 17" x 8.5"). So, I would suspect that you need to investigate the offset of those wheels. Kazuto Okayasu wrote: > > I would double-check the size and offset of these wheels, and if they > are something like I describe, I would probably recommend finding > another set of wheels with more appropriate sizing. The typical OE > 17" fitment would be 225/45/17 on a 17x8ET47. > > >> My son just purchased a 2000 323i four-door, manual, low mileage. It >> has German 3pc alloy rims on it, made by Keskin Tuning. 17" rims, >> 235/40 tires. In running around with four people in the car it seems >> the rear tires are hitting the wheel opeings at times. With my E28 >> cars we rolled the sheet metal to eliminate this. Is that adviseable >> in this case? Anyone know anything about the rims' quality? Is the >> rim/tire size "original"/recommended, or are they a bit wide? >> >> Thanks, >> >> Mark Selleck >> '85 535i >> '87 535is (soon to be for sale) >> >> > > > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 04 Jan 2007 19:32:08 -0800 From: Kazuto Okayasu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: BMW list <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [ UUC ] model question Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> At 06:49 PM 1/4/2007, Mark Alan Selleck wrote: As you say, it'll most likely be OK. However, if this were mine, I would get appropriately sized wheels and tires for it. I would think, at minimum, the car's stance looks somewhat low-rider-esque with the tires stretched ('butterflied') and the edge of the wheel poking out past the fender. A look that watercooled VWers call 'euro.' The offset should be cast somewhere on the rim; often on the back or behind the centercap if so equipped. Now that I know it's a 17x9, though, I would say offset is something like 35mm. >Sorry about the missing info. The rims are 9" wide. I don't know >the offset.(# on rim is 9JX17H2) The car in question was originally >ordered/purchased new in Germany by a member of the US armed forces, >with a sport package/custom suspension/custom exhaust. The >rims/tires in question were supposedly mounted by BMW (probably >dealer) when the car was new. After the car was shipped back to >this country it was purchased by the woman my son bought it >from.(Recently married, her husband drives an M3, and they decided a >"family" car will be needed.). >The car has just over 60k on the odometer, and looks and drives >great, but, with four people in the car the rear tires get rubbed >when a bump/dip in the road is encountered. Since my son is single, >and will mainly be driving it without a lot of weight in the back, I >expect it's OK, just not perfect. Thanks for any input. > >Mark Selleck Kazuto Okayasu Manager, Desktop Support Services Administrative Computing Services, University of California, Irvine [EMAIL PROTECTED] ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2007 22:38:53 -0600 From: "Alex Cagann" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [ UUC ] model question Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> You can also roll the rear fender insides with the correct tool or use a wooden baseball bat and plenty of caution. This is commonly done and discussed on the Porsche 911 list (rennlist) when people put 9 inch Fuch's on the back of non-turbo bodied 80's SC's and Carrera's. Personally, I prefer the look of a car with wheels that fill out the fender well...definitely makes the car look meatier. If they are just rubbing a bit, I'd roll the fenders and keep those wide wheels on it...they just look too damn good with wide wheels. Alex Cagann > >Sorry about the missing info. The rims are 9" wide. I don't know > >the offset.(# on rim is 9JX17H2) The car in question was originally > >ordered/purchased new in Germany by a member of the US armed forces, > >with a sport package/custom suspension/custom exhaust. The > >rims/tires in question were supposedly mounted by BMW (probably > >dealer) when the car was new. After the car was shipped back to > >this country it was purchased by the woman my son bought it > >from.(Recently married, her husband drives an M3, and they decided a > >"family" car will be needed.). > >The car has just over 60k on the odometer, and looks and drives > >great, but, with four people in the car the rear tires get rubbed > >when a bump/dip in the road is encountered. Since my son is single, > >and will mainly be driving it without a lot of weight in the back, I > >expect it's OK, just not perfect. Thanks for any input. > > > >Mark Selleck ------------------------------ End of [bmwuucdigest] digest(14 messages) **********
