The BMW UUC Digest Volume 3 : Issue 380 : "text" Format Messages in this Issue: Tools - good ones. Re: Tools - good ones. Re: Tools - good ones. Re: Tools - good ones. Re: Tools - good ones. Re: E36 ignition - switch or cylinder? Re: E36 ignition - switch or cylinder? Re: E36 ignition - switch or cylinder? Re: E36 ignition - switch or cylinder? Re: E36 ignition - switch or cylinder? Re: E36 ignition - switch or cylinder? Re: E36 ignition - switch or cylinder? Re: E36 ignition - switch or cylinder? Re: E36 ignition - switch or cylinder?
---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 18:43:11 +0000 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [email protected] Subject: Tools - good ones. Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I've got this crazy idea in my head to upgrade my tool collection. It's pretty comprehensive but it mostly cheaper brands like Halfords / Draper (likey similar to Sears quality from what I've heard). Every time I went there I seemed to leave with more tools (you can never have too many!) and over the years it's built up. I got myself a Snap On catalogue and a few goodies from there but frankly I can't afford to source it all from there :-( I mainly want good quality sockets and tools that fit really well and will (hopefully) result in fewer old rounded off stubborn nuts and allen sockets. The advice of the pros is most welcome. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 11:22:27 -0800 (PST) From: Tammer Farid <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [email protected] Subject: Re: Tools - good ones. Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I'm neither expert nor pro, but I spend enough of my time screwing around with this stuff to have opinions, which are worth what you paid for them: 1) Check Ebay and similar sites; often very good tools can be had for cheap used. 2) Think about what you use and how often. For many things, a Craftsman (Sears)-level tool is just fine. Maybe the Snap-on prybar is nicer, but you're using that 4-foot piece of hardened steel to abuse things; the cheaper one will do. Sockets and a 3/8" drive ratchet, however, get used all the time and the quality will matter in ease of use and longevity. 3) Tool/fastener interface is the most critical area. Nothing worse than rounding a bolt in a tough-to-reach place. Facom, SK, Snap-on, all are good. Get 6-point sockets, not 12. 4) More torque=easier to screw things up. For big sockets that you really crank on, it's worth getting the "flank-drive" units like Facom. Keep your older stuff for spares, because you'll always misplace precisely the tool you need. -tammer --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > I've got this crazy idea in my head to upgrade my tool > collection. It's pretty comprehensive but it mostly > cheaper brands like Halfords / Draper (likey similar to > Sears quality from what I've heard). Every time I went > there I seemed to leave with more tools (you can never > have too many!) and over the years it's built up. > > I got myself a Snap On catalogue and a few goodies from > there but frankly I can't afford to source it all from > there :-( > > I mainly want good quality sockets and tools that fit > really well and will (hopefully) result in fewer old > rounded off stubborn nuts and allen sockets. > > The advice of the pros is most welcome. > > > Search the > ARCHIVES:http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected] > > > __________________________________________________________________________ > In memory of Michel Potheau - friend, enthusiast, founder > of the BMW CCA. > > UUC Motorwerks - BMW Performance Fine-tuning and home of > the Ultimate > Short Shifter - accept no substitutes! > 908-874-9092 . http://www.uucmotorwerks.com > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Bored stiff? Loosen up... Download and play hundreds of games for free on Yahoo! Games. http://games.yahoo.com/games/front ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 11:18:31 -0800 From: Kazuto Okayasu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [email protected] Subject: Re: Tools - good ones. Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> At 10:43 AM 1/29/2007, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Not a pro, but I have some European tools that I like very much, so they're probably much easier to source in the UK. Most of my sockets and "spanners" (as you'd call them) are Facom, and to me, they seem to compare favorably to SnapOn that I've used side-by-side. Perhaps the luster on the SnapOn is a bit better. My screwdrivers are all Facom or Witte, and pliers are a mishmash of Facom, Knipex (they are NICE) and Klein (US). I have plenty of cheap Chinese tools for non-critical or very occasional use, but a good job demands good tools. :) I have a question for tool gurus. Why does it seem like all German tool brands put a rough, matte finish on their tools where the US brand would be smooth, if not fully polished? >I've got this crazy idea in my head to upgrade my tool collection. >It's pretty comprehensive but it mostly cheaper brands like Halfords >/ Draper (likey similar to Sears quality from what I've heard). >Every time I went there I seemed to leave with more tools (you can >never have too many!) and over the years it's built up. > >I got myself a Snap On catalogue and a few goodies from there but >frankly I can't afford to source it all from there :-( > >I mainly want good quality sockets and tools that fit really well >and will (hopefully) result in fewer old rounded off stubborn nuts >and allen sockets. > >The advice of the pros is most welcome. Kazuto Okayasu Manager, Desktop Support Services Administrative Computing Services, University of California, Irvine [EMAIL PROTECTED] ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 14:43:37 -0500 (GMT-05:00) From: Maverick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [email protected] Subject: Re: Tools - good ones. Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> FYI - Snap-on and FACOM are connected some how, not sure exactly how, but they are associated. David Ellsworth -----Original Message----- >From: Kazuto Okayasu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Sent: Jan 29, 2007 2:18 PM >To: [email protected] >Subject: Re: [UUC] Tools - good ones. > >At 10:43 AM 1/29/2007, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > >Not a pro, but I have some European tools that I like very much, so >they're probably much easier to source in the UK. > >Most of my sockets and "spanners" (as you'd call them) are Facom, and >to me, they seem to compare favorably to SnapOn that I've used >side-by-side. Perhaps the luster on the SnapOn is a bit better. > >My screwdrivers are all Facom or Witte, and pliers are a mishmash of >Facom, Knipex (they are NICE) and Klein (US). > >I have plenty of cheap Chinese tools for non-critical or very >occasional use, but a good job demands good tools. :) > >I have a question for tool gurus. Why does it seem like all German >tool brands put a rough, matte finish on their tools where the US >brand would be smooth, if not fully polished? > >>I've got this crazy idea in my head to upgrade my tool collection. >>It's pretty comprehensive but it mostly cheaper brands like Halfords >>/ Draper (likey similar to Sears quality from what I've heard). >>Every time I went there I seemed to leave with more tools (you can >>never have too many!) and over the years it's built up. >> >>I got myself a Snap On catalogue and a few goodies from there but >>frankly I can't afford to source it all from there :-( >> >>I mainly want good quality sockets and tools that fit really well >>and will (hopefully) result in fewer old rounded off stubborn nuts >>and allen sockets. >> >>The advice of the pros is most welcome. > >Kazuto Okayasu Manager, Desktop Support Services >Administrative Computing Services, University of California, Irvine >[EMAIL PROTECTED] > >Search the ARCHIVES:http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected] > > >__________________________________________________________________________ >In memory of Michel Potheau - friend, enthusiast, founder of the BMW CCA. > >UUC Motorwerks - BMW Performance Fine-tuning and home of the Ultimate >Short Shifter - accept no substitutes! >908-874-9092 . http://www.uucmotorwerks.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 16:11:17 -0500 From: "bill matthews" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[email protected]> Subject: Re: Tools - good ones. Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I think you may be confusing that connection with SK and Facom which are the same company. Snap-On brands include Blue-Point (their less pricey brand), Mitchell1, Sun, NexiQ and of course Snap-On. Bill Matthews > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Maverick > Sent: Monday, January 29, 2007 2:44 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [UUC] Tools - good ones. > > FYI - Snap-on and FACOM are connected some how, not sure > exactly how, but they are associated. > > David Ellsworth > > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 13:13:29 -0600 From: "Malcolm Reitz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[email protected]> Subject: Re: E36 ignition - switch or cylinder? Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> As Gary noted, a paper clip is way too soft. You need a stiff piece of wire and ideally, you want a small bend at the very end of it. When you get the new tumbler, you'll see that you really aren't pushing something down, you're pushing it sideways via a beveled edge. Practice on the new tumbler. Some spray lube in the old tumbler will help, too. Malcolm -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Allen Skillicorn Sent: Monday, 29 January, 2007 11:51 To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [UUC] E36 ignition - switch or cylinder? Any tips or details about the paper clip trick? Insert behind the switch, or into the tumbler? Allen Search the ARCHIVES:http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected] ________________________________________________________________________ __ In memory of Michel Potheau - friend, enthusiast, founder of the BMW CCA. UUC Motorwerks - BMW Performance Fine-tuning and home of the Ultimate Short Shifter - accept no substitutes! 908-874-9092 . http://www.uucmotorwerks.com ______________________________________________________________________ Please note my email address has changed to [EMAIL PROTECTED] This e-mail, including any attached files, may contain confidential and privileged information for the sole use of the intended recipient. Any review, use, distribution, or disclosure by others is strictly prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient (or authorized to receive information for the intended recipient), please contact the sender by reply e-mail and delete all copies of this message. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 13:38:18 -0600 From: "Allen Skillicorn" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Malcolm Reitz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, <[email protected]> Subject: Re: E36 ignition - switch or cylinder? Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I haven't seen the tumbler assembly yet, so pleas excuse my ignorance. Where do I insert the wire with the 90 degree bend? Then pull the tumbler out, and replace with the new one? Allen Malcolm Reitz wrote: Sent: Monday, January 29, 2007 1:13 PM Subject: Re: [UUC] E36 ignition - switch or cylinder? As Gary noted, a paper clip is way too soft. You need a stiff piece of wire and ideally, you want a small bend at the very end of it. When you get the new tumbler, you'll see that you really aren't pushing something down, you're pushing it sideways via a beveled edge. Practice on the new tumbler. Some spray lube in the old tumbler will help, too. Malcolm ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 14:19:26 -0600 From: "Malcolm Reitz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[email protected]> Subject: Re: E36 ignition - switch or cylinder? Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> There is a small hole or notch in the edge of the silver metal. You need to turn the key to about the 2 o'clock position, then insert the wire through that hole, pressing down and turning. This message thread below has pics. http://forums.bimmerforums.com/forum/showthread.php?t=379874&highlight=i gnition+tumbler Malcolm -----Original Message----- From: Allen Skillicorn [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, 29 January, 2007 13:38 To: Malcolm Reitz; [email protected] Subject: RE: [UUC] E36 ignition - switch or cylinder? I haven't seen the tumbler assembly yet, so pleas excuse my ignorance. Where do I insert the wire with the 90 degree bend? Then pull the tumbler out, and replace with the new one? Allen Malcolm Reitz wrote: Sent: Monday, January 29, 2007 1:13 PM Subject: Re: [UUC] E36 ignition - switch or cylinder? As Gary noted, a paper clip is way too soft. You need a stiff piece of wire and ideally, you want a small bend at the very end of it. When you get the new tumbler, you'll see that you really aren't pushing something down, you're pushing it sideways via a beveled edge. Practice on the new tumbler. Some spray lube in the old tumbler will help, too. Malcolm ______________________________________________________________________ Please note my email address has changed to [EMAIL PROTECTED] This e-mail, including any attached files, may contain confidential and privileged information for the sole use of the intended recipient. Any review, use, distribution, or disclosure by others is strictly prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient (or authorized to receive information for the intended recipient), please contact the sender by reply e-mail and delete all copies of this message. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 15:44:51 -0500 From: "Matt Bader" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[email protected]> Cc: "'Malcolm Reitz'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: E36 ignition - switch or cylinder? Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Thanks to all for information on this tumbler issue. I have a 98 M3 with the occasional slipping key, and I have been paying close attention to the threads. It looks like I'll be needing to check this out as well. There is always something... Matt Bader Middletown,DE -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Malcolm Reitz Sent: Monday, January 29, 2007 3:19 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [UUC] E36 ignition - switch or cylinder? There is a small hole or notch in the edge of the silver metal. You need to turn the key to about the 2 o'clock position, then insert the wire through that hole, pressing down and turning. This message thread below has pics. http://forums.bimmerforums.com/forum/showthread.php?t=379874&highlight=i gnition+tumbler Malcolm -----Original Message----- From: Allen Skillicorn [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, 29 January, 2007 13:38 To: Malcolm Reitz; [email protected] Subject: RE: [UUC] E36 ignition - switch or cylinder? I haven't seen the tumbler assembly yet, so pleas excuse my ignorance. Where do I insert the wire with the 90 degree bend? Then pull the tumbler out, and replace with the new one? Allen Malcolm Reitz wrote: Sent: Monday, January 29, 2007 1:13 PM Subject: Re: [UUC] E36 ignition - switch or cylinder? As Gary noted, a paper clip is way too soft. You need a stiff piece of wire and ideally, you want a small bend at the very end of it. When you get the new tumbler, you'll see that you really aren't pushing something down, you're pushing it sideways via a beveled edge. Practice on the new tumbler. Some spray lube in the old tumbler will help, too. Malcolm ______________________________________________________________________ Please note my email address has changed to [EMAIL PROTECTED] This e-mail, including any attached files, may contain confidential and privileged information for the sole use of the intended recipient. Any review, use, distribution, or disclosure by others is strictly prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient (or authorized to receive information for the intended recipient), please contact the sender by reply e-mail and delete all copies of this message. Search the ARCHIVES:http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected] __________________________________________________________________________ In memory of Michel Potheau - friend, enthusiast, founder of the BMW CCA. UUC Motorwerks - BMW Performance Fine-tuning and home of the Ultimate Short Shifter - accept no substitutes! 908-874-9092 . http://www.uucmotorwerks.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 16:35:39 -0500 From: "Howard Kohn" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "UUC Digest" <[email protected]> Subject: Re: E36 ignition - switch or cylinder? Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I am going on three years with the intermittent free rotation in my 1996 328i with 166,000 miles. About once a month it happens, at a fairly consistent rate. -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Gary Derian Sent: Monday, January 29, 2007 11:30 AM To: Peter Loron; UUC Digest Subject: Re: [UUC] E36 ignition - switch or cylinder? Impending doom. Gary Derian > Hi, all. In my 98M3, occasionally, I'll put the key in and try to start it > up and all I get is the key rotating freely in the lock. > > Is this an indicator of impending doom or normal? > > -Pete > > KMS- Brett Anderson wrote: >> It's the ignition cylinder. About $70. >> >> However, if it's now jammed and can't be removed, you'll be looking at a >> couple of hours and a new lock housing as well. >> >> >> Brett Anderson >> KMS >> >> >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >>> It's a moot point now, as the key froze in position 1 tonight, with the >>> radio playing, but if/when one experiences issues with the ignition key >>> spinning without any detents, is it the cylinder, or is it the switch? >>> The car is in a Lowe's parking lot with the battery diconnected. I >>> suppose I'll have it towed to the dealer in the morning. >>> >>> I've googled and read the archives a bit, and while it is a common >>> problem, I never ran across anyone definitively saying which part was >>> required to fix it. Some say they had been experiencing it for over 5 >>> years, while others were stranded on the first occurence. Either way, it >>> sounds like at this point, it's a switch and maybe the lock. I'm just >>> curious if a paper clip and new cylinder -would- have fixed it if I >>> hadn't waited. BTW, it's a '98 M3 convertible (Hi Don!) with the ring >>> antenna. Thanks! >>> >>> David in Nashville >>> >>> Search the >>> ARCHIVES:http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected] >>> >>> >>> __________________________________________________________________________ >>> In memory of Michel Potheau - friend, enthusiast, founder of the BMW >>> CCA. >>> >>> UUC Motorwerks - BMW Performance Fine-tuning and home of the Ultimate >>> Short Shifter - accept no substitutes! >>> 908-874-9092 . http://www.uucmotorwerks.com >>> >> Search the >> ARCHIVES:http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected] >> >> >> __________________________________________________________________________ >> In memory of Michel Potheau - friend, enthusiast, founder of the BMW CCA. >> >> UUC Motorwerks - BMW Performance Fine-tuning and home of the Ultimate >> Short Shifter - accept no substitutes! >> 908-874-9092 . http://www.uucmotorwerks.com > Search the ARCHIVES:http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected] > > > __________________________________________________________________________ > In memory of Michel Potheau - friend, enthusiast, founder of the BMW CCA. > > UUC Motorwerks - BMW Performance Fine-tuning and home of the Ultimate > Short Shifter - accept no substitutes! > 908-874-9092 . http://www.uucmotorwerks.com Search the ARCHIVES:http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected] __________________________________________________________________________ In memory of Michel Potheau - friend, enthusiast, founder of the BMW CCA. UUC Motorwerks - BMW Performance Fine-tuning and home of the Ultimate Short Shifter - accept no substitutes! 908-874-9092 . http://www.uucmotorwerks.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 13:42:58 -0800 From: "Reed Nicholson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[email protected]> Subject: Re: E36 ignition - switch or cylinder? Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> My 98 M3 has been doing this at a similar rate for at least 5 years. Never gets any worse. So not necessarily something you must rush to fix. Reed/Seattle > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Howard Kohn > Sent: Monday, January 29, 2007 1:36 PM > To: UUC Digest > Subject: Re: [UUC] E36 ignition - switch or cylinder? > > I am going on three years with the intermittent free rotation > in my 1996 328i with 166,000 miles. About once a month it > happens, at a fairly consistent rate. > > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Gary Derian > Sent: Monday, January 29, 2007 11:30 AM > To: Peter Loron; UUC Digest > Subject: Re: [UUC] E36 ignition - switch or cylinder? > > > Impending doom. > Gary Derian > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 17:06:51 -0500 From: "Gary Derian" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "UUC Digest" <[email protected]> Subject: Re: E36 ignition - switch or cylinder? Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sooner or later all those intermittently failing locks are going to permanently fail. If that happens, the repair procedure becomes far more expensive and difficult. Do you feel lucky today, do ya? Gary Derian >I am going on three years with the intermittent free rotation in my 1996 > 328i with 166,000 miles. About once a month it happens, at a fairly > consistent rate. > > Impending doom. > Gary Derian ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 14:12:41 -0800 From: David Thomas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "UUC Digest" <[email protected]> Subject: Re: E36 ignition - switch or cylinder? Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> On Monday 29 January 2007 2:06 pm, Gary Derian wrote: > Sooner or later all those intermittently failing locks are going to > permanently fail. If that happens, the repair procedure becomes far more > expensive and difficult. Do you feel lucky today, do ya? > Gary Derian Yep...you guys are just lucky. (locky?) You would not feel so confidant if you held one of these broken cylinders in your hand and saw just how small of a friction area is allowing you to start your car. The tab that breaks off tiny and the jagged edges of metal left over are about all that's holding your cylinder now when you turn the key. Its cheap and fairly easy to change. Foolish to wait. Dave > >I am going on three years with the intermittent free rotation in my 1996 > > 328i with 166,000 miles. About once a month it happens, at a fairly > > consistent rate. > > > > Impending doom. > > Gary Derian ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 17:11:57 -0500 From: Dennis Liu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "'Gary Derian'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "'UUC Digest'" <[email protected]> Subject: Re: E36 ignition - switch or cylinder? Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Ok, I guess I'm a moron with a death wish. :-) First noticed the spinning key cylinder in the E38 about FIVE years ago. Wife came in and said, "hey, the key's spinning." I hopped in, inserted the key FULLY into the cylinder, and started right up. In fact, right now, if the key is not inserted completely, the cylinder will spin. But every time you do insert it fully, it starts. Honestly, I thought that this was an ANTI-THEFT **FEATURE**! :-) So, am I suffering from this now-infamous problem? Really, it's been working fine for FIVE years (and 80k+ miles).... Vty, --Dennis -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gary Derian Sent: Monday, January 29, 2007 5:07 PM To: UUC Digest Subject: Re: [UUC] E36 ignition - switch or cylinder? Sooner or later all those intermittently failing locks are going to permanently fail. If that happens, the repair procedure becomes far more expensive and difficult. Do you feel lucky today, do ya? Gary Derian >I am going on three years with the intermittent free rotation in my >1996 328i with 166,000 miles. About once a month it happens, at a >fairly consistent rate. > > Impending doom. > Gary Derian Search the ARCHIVES:http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected] __________________________________________________________________________ In memory of Michel Potheau - friend, enthusiast, founder of the BMW CCA. UUC Motorwerks - BMW Performance Fine-tuning and home of the Ultimate Short Shifter - accept no substitutes! 908-874-9092 . http://www.uucmotorwerks.com ------------------------------ End of [bmwuucdigest] digest(14 messages) **********
