The BMW UUC Digest Volume 3 : Issue 424 : "text" Format Messages in this Issue: "Run-Flat Tires: Are They Solving a Problem or Re: "Run-Flat Tires: Are They Solving a Problem or Re: "Run-Flat Tires: Are They Solving a Problem or Re: "Run-Flat Tires: Are They Solving a Problem or Re: "Run-Flat Tires: Are They Solving a Problem or Re: Aston Martin sold (OT) Re: Aston Martin sold (OT) Re: Aston Martin sold (OT) Re: Aston Martin sold (OT) Re: Aston Martin sold (OT) Re: Aston Martin sold (OT) Re: Aston Martin sold (OT) Re: Aston Martin sold (OT) Shops
---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2007 10:08:45 -0700 (PDT) From: kjk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [email protected] Subject: "Run-Flat Tires: Are They Solving a Problem or Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >From what I have heard about run-flats I think I would rather stick with normal tires. However, what I think is funny is that recently as Japanese car companies have upped the ante on the Germans and started buidling better performing cars they have ran into a reaction from the previous Accord-type owners. These people expect 50k mile tires and brakes and suddenly are replacing them at 20k. They want Accord or Sentra running costs with their new G35. I guess us BMW owners have been pummeled into submission by running costs over the years but at least it is worth it with an M3 or M5. Not sure I would be happy about it if I was driving a Sienna. On the other hand, you would think the owners would think it is a small investment to keep their kids safe. BTW, with my 245/40/18's I can barely tell I have a flat. Usually the tire is ruined by the time I notice. I guess I should get some air pressure monitors. Most low profile tires allow you to maintain control pretty well even with a flat. Kevin Kelly '91 M5 '00 323iT ____________________________________________________________________________________ Now that's room service! Choose from over 150,000 hotels in 45,000 destinations on Yahoo! 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Get started. http://mobile.yahoo.com/mail ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2007 13:29:35 -0400 From: "Gary Derian" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "kjk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, <[email protected]> Subject: Re: "Run-Flat Tires: Are They Solving a Problem or Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I had that problem with I first got my M5. I was driving it for the first time on snow and didn't know what to expect so I was being ultra smooth. I drove nearly 6 miles on a flat until it made the car rumble. It still looked OK from the outside but inside it was trashed. The tire was ruined anyway because I ran over a rather large piece of metal. I heard the pop but didn't know the tire was flat. Run flats may be OK for someone who doesn't change tires no matter what. They can get a little farther before having to stop. For me, I'll take a spare. A donut spare is OK, but I want an extra wheel and tire with me. Gary Derian > From what I have heard about run-flats I think I would > rather stick with normal tires. However, what I think > is funny is that recently as Japanese car companies > have upped the ante on the Germans and started > buidling better performing cars they have ran into a > reaction from the previous Accord-type owners. These > people expect 50k mile tires and brakes and suddenly > are replacing them at 20k. They want Accord or Sentra > running costs with their new G35. I guess us BMW > owners have been pummeled into submission by running > costs over the years but at least it is worth it with > an M3 or M5. Not sure I would be happy about it if I > was driving a Sienna. On the other hand, you would > think the owners would think it is a small investment > to keep their kids safe. > > BTW, with my 245/40/18's I can barely tell I have a > flat. Usually the tire is ruined by the time I notice. > I guess I should get some air pressure monitors. Most > low profile tires allow you to maintain control pretty > well even with a flat. > > Kevin Kelly > '91 M5 > '00 323iT ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2007 11:33:22 -0700 From: Kazuto Okayasu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[email protected]> Subject: Re: "Run-Flat Tires: Are They Solving a Problem or Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> At 10:29 AM 3/13/2007, Gary Derian wrote: >Run flats may be OK for someone who doesn't change tires no matter >what. They can get a little farther before having to stop. For me, >I'll take a spare. A donut spare is OK, but I want an extra wheel >and tire with me. I completely agree. I haven't had to change a tire on the side of the road in close to a decade, but when I did, I was sure glad I had a usable, INFLATED spare. The problem these days is that a lot of cars (E90s are a good example) don't have any accommodations for carrying a spare of any kind unless you want one sitting in the middle of your trunk like a 60s Chevy. Kazuto Okayasu Manager, Desktop Support Services Administrative Computing Services, University of California, Irvine [EMAIL PROTECTED] ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2007 14:36:01 -0400 From: "Gary Derian" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[email protected]>, "Kazuto Okayasu" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: "Run-Flat Tires: Are They Solving a Problem or Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Another reason to like E34s. Full size spare and a full size gas tank. The downside is high speed rear crashes may be more susceptible to fire and there is less room for a muffler. Gary [choices] Derian > At 10:29 AM 3/13/2007, Gary Derian wrote: > >>Run flats may be OK for someone who doesn't change tires no matter what. >>They can get a little farther before having to stop. For me, I'll take a >>spare. A donut spare is OK, but I want an extra wheel and tire with me. > > I completely agree. I haven't had to change a tire on the side of the road > in close to a decade, but when I did, I was sure glad I had a usable, > INFLATED spare. > > The problem these days is that a lot of cars (E90s are a good example) > don't have any accommodations for carrying a spare of any kind unless you > want one sitting in the middle of your trunk like a 60s Chevy. > > > Kazuto Okayasu Manager, Desktop Support Services ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2007 10:27:59 -0700 From: John Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [email protected] Subject: Re: Aston Martin sold (OT) Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > partner in the thing. the previous connection DR has with AM from > racing & being a very well respected figure in the automotive world > would probably swing things towards his group's bid. <VIOLINS> Prodrive also runs FPV for Ford down in Australia. </VIOLINS> If Aston continutes on its current trajectory I wouldn't be surprised to see this group ending up owning Jag - or at least the Jag brand and assets, if not the whole company as currently constituted - a few years down the road. John. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2007 15:53:51 -0500 From: "Roberts, Clarence H CIV USA" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "John Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, <[email protected]> Subject: Re: Aston Martin sold (OT) Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Which might be a good thing for both since Ford does not appear to know what to do with Jag. -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Miller Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2007 12:28 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [UUC] Aston Martin sold (OT) > partner in the thing. the previous connection DR has with AM from > racing & being a very well respected figure in the automotive world > would probably swing things towards his group's bid. <VIOLINS> Prodrive also runs FPV for Ford down in Australia. </VIOLINS> If Aston continutes on its current trajectory I wouldn't be surprised to see this group ending up owning Jag - or at least the Jag brand and assets, if not the whole company as currently constituted - a few years down the road. John. Search the ARCHIVES:http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected] ________________________________________________________________________ __ In memory of Michel Potheau - friend, enthusiast, founder of the BMW CCA. UUC Motorwerks - BMW Performance Fine-tuning and home of the Ultimate Short Shifter - accept no substitutes! 908-874-9092 . http://www.uucmotorwerks.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2007 17:44:15 -0400 From: "Ben Keyes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [email protected] Subject: Re: Aston Martin sold (OT) Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> not sure AM can generate enough profit in the near future to buy what Jag (and esp L-R as it's a healthier company product-wise) would be worth. the two would have to be sold as one as they're integrated together to a very high degree, whereas AM sought out a separate identity and ran things on their own. There's no reason for Volvo to go anywhere as they're profitable, growing, able to leverage shared technologies & technical skills as well as powertrains & platforms. if anything, the likely future for Volvo (and L-R to a smaller degree) would be as a help to the rest of the corporate bottom line, with (one hopes) Jag getting things right & no longer being as much of a money pit as it has been. we will see. Ben amateur corporate analyst on the inside looking out ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2007 17:10:37 -0500 From: "Roberts, Clarence H CIV USA" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[email protected]> Subject: Re: Aston Martin sold (OT) Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Ford got modern viable companies with Volvo, Mazda and L-R for their investment. Ford had to pump lots of $ into AM and Jag to bring them up to current world mfg stds. Volvo, Mazda, L-R, and AM are success stories (great products and high mfg stds) while Jag is still unfolding. Ford has done great things cross pollinating between companies. Mazda 3 (Volvo) and Ford/Merc/Linc Fusion line (Mazda) for example. Does anyone doubt using Ford's resources has lowered AM overhead and product development costs? They just have not figured out where Jag belongs. The Xtype was a disaster. Too bad Ford needed cash so badly they had to unload AM before they could reap the benefits of their success? -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ben Keyes Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2007 4:44 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [UUC] Aston Martin sold (OT) not sure AM can generate enough profit in the near future to buy what Jag (and esp L-R as it's a healthier company product-wise) would be worth. the two would have to be sold as one as they're integrated together to a very high degree, whereas AM sought out a separate identity and ran things on their own. There's no reason for Volvo to go anywhere as they're profitable, growing, able to leverage shared technologies & technical skills as well as powertrains & platforms. if anything, the likely future for Volvo (and L-R to a smaller degree) would be as a help to the rest of the corporate bottom line, with (one hopes) Jag getting things right & no longer being as much of a money pit as it has been. we will see. Ben amateur corporate analyst on the inside looking out Search the ARCHIVES:http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected] ________________________________________________________________________ __ In memory of Michel Potheau - friend, enthusiast, founder of the BMW CCA. UUC Motorwerks - BMW Performance Fine-tuning and home of the Ultimate Short Shifter - accept no substitutes! 908-874-9092 . http://www.uucmotorwerks.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2007 09:22:14 -0400 From: "Matt Bader" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[email protected]> Subject: Re: Aston Martin sold (OT) Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I believe AM was valued at $985 million or thereabouts which made me wonder if there was a enough sales volume/profits in the Astin Martin brand to justify that hi valuation? Apparently so. Matt Bader 98 M3/4 -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Roberts, Clarence H CIV USA Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2007 6:11 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [UUC] Aston Martin sold (OT) Ford got modern viable companies with Volvo, Mazda and L-R for their investment. Ford had to pump lots of $ into AM and Jag to bring them up to current world mfg stds. Volvo, Mazda, L-R, and AM are success stories (great products and high mfg stds) while Jag is still unfolding. Ford has done great things cross pollinating between companies. Mazda 3 (Volvo) and Ford/Merc/Linc Fusion line (Mazda) for example. Does anyone doubt using Ford's resources has lowered AM overhead and product development costs? They just have not figured out where Jag belongs. The Xtype was a disaster. Too bad Ford needed cash so badly they had to unload AM before they could reap the benefits of their success? -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ben Keyes Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2007 4:44 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [UUC] Aston Martin sold (OT) not sure AM can generate enough profit in the near future to buy what Jag (and esp L-R as it's a healthier company product-wise) would be worth. the two would have to be sold as one as they're integrated together to a very high degree, whereas AM sought out a separate identity and ran things on their own. There's no reason for Volvo to go anywhere as they're profitable, growing, able to leverage shared technologies & technical skills as well as powertrains & platforms. if anything, the likely future for Volvo (and L-R to a smaller degree) would be as a help to the rest of the corporate bottom line, with (one hopes) Jag getting things right & no longer being as much of a money pit as it has been. we will see. Ben amateur corporate analyst on the inside looking out Search the ARCHIVES:http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected] ________________________________________________________________________ __ In memory of Michel Potheau - friend, enthusiast, founder of the BMW CCA. UUC Motorwerks - BMW Performance Fine-tuning and home of the Ultimate Short Shifter - accept no substitutes! 908-874-9092 . http://www.uucmotorwerks.com Search the ARCHIVES:http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected] __________________________________________________________________________ In memory of Michel Potheau - friend, enthusiast, founder of the BMW CCA. UUC Motorwerks - BMW Performance Fine-tuning and home of the Ultimate Short Shifter - accept no substitutes! 908-874-9092 . http://www.uucmotorwerks.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2007 09:35:36 -0400 From: "Ben Keyes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [email protected] Subject: Re: Aston Martin sold (OT) Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> if they sell ~7000 cars/year & make $10k per car that's $70M in profits. that margin actually seems sorta low relative to the ~$200k transaction price for many of their models, so if it's more in the 10% range they're close to $150M in profits/year. not a bad return on the money especially when you figure in the manufacturing assets they get as part of the deal. Ben Matt wrote: > I believe AM was valued at $985 million or thereabouts which made me wonder > if there was a enough sales volume/profits in the Astin Martin brand to > justify that hi valuation? Apparently so. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2007 08:37:25 -0500 From: "Roberts, Clarence H CIV USA" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Matt Bader" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, <[email protected]> Subject: Re: Aston Martin sold (OT) Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Ford is lucky they were able to get some, if not all, of their money back. Didn't BMW pay to have Rover taken off their hands after BMW had pumped in 8-10 billion to keep Rover afloat? And then Rover collapsed anyway with corporate China swooping in to pick over the bones. Now DCX is hinting disgorgement of the Chrysler Group. And Lotus may be the market (again). What we are seeing is current management, and economics, tidying up the problems caused by the super egos of previous management. Speaking of management, Ford needs to hire the guys VW pushed out to clean up Jag. -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Matt Bader Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2007 8:22 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [UUC] Aston Martin sold (OT) I believe AM was valued at $985 million or thereabouts which made me wonder if there was a enough sales volume/profits in the Astin Martin brand to justify that hi valuation? Apparently so. Matt Bader 98 M3/4 -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Roberts, Clarence H CIV USA Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2007 6:11 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [UUC] Aston Martin sold (OT) Ford got modern viable companies with Volvo, Mazda and L-R for their investment. Ford had to pump lots of $ into AM and Jag to bring them up to current world mfg stds. Volvo, Mazda, L-R, and AM are success stories (great products and high mfg stds) while Jag is still unfolding. Ford has done great things cross pollinating between companies. Mazda 3 (Volvo) and Ford/Merc/Linc Fusion line (Mazda) for example. Does anyone doubt using Ford's resources has lowered AM overhead and product development costs? They just have not figured out where Jag belongs. The Xtype was a disaster. Too bad Ford needed cash so badly they had to unload AM before they could reap the benefits of their success? -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ben Keyes Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2007 4:44 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [UUC] Aston Martin sold (OT) not sure AM can generate enough profit in the near future to buy what Jag (and esp L-R as it's a healthier company product-wise) would be worth. the two would have to be sold as one as they're integrated together to a very high degree, whereas AM sought out a separate identity and ran things on their own. There's no reason for Volvo to go anywhere as they're profitable, growing, able to leverage shared technologies & technical skills as well as powertrains & platforms. if anything, the likely future for Volvo (and L-R to a smaller degree) would be as a help to the rest of the corporate bottom line, with (one hopes) Jag getting things right & no longer being as much of a money pit as it has been. we will see. Ben amateur corporate analyst on the inside looking out Search the ARCHIVES:http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected] ________________________________________________________________________ __ In memory of Michel Potheau - friend, enthusiast, founder of the BMW CCA. UUC Motorwerks - BMW Performance Fine-tuning and home of the Ultimate Short Shifter - accept no substitutes! 908-874-9092 . http://www.uucmotorwerks.com Search the ARCHIVES:http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected] ________________________________________________________________________ __ In memory of Michel Potheau - friend, enthusiast, founder of the BMW CCA. UUC Motorwerks - BMW Performance Fine-tuning and home of the Ultimate Short Shifter - accept no substitutes! 908-874-9092 . http://www.uucmotorwerks.com Search the ARCHIVES:http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected] ________________________________________________________________________ __ In memory of Michel Potheau - friend, enthusiast, founder of the BMW CCA. UUC Motorwerks - BMW Performance Fine-tuning and home of the Ultimate Short Shifter - accept no substitutes! 908-874-9092 . http://www.uucmotorwerks.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2007 14:02:56 -0500 From: "Jason Kay" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [email protected] Subject: Re: Aston Martin sold (OT) Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > partner in the thing. the previous connection DR has with AM from racing & > > being a very well respected figure in the automotive world would probably > > swing things towards his group's bid. > > <VIOLINS> > > Prodrive also runs FPV for Ford down in Australia. > > </VIOLINS> > > If Aston continutes on its current trajectory I wouldn't be surprised to see > this group ending up owning Jag - or at least the Jag brand and assets, if > not the whole company as currently constituted - a few years down the road. and Volvo, and lets not forget LandRover... -Jason '86 951 "Sparky" '70 240Z "Dusty" '03 325xi "Daisy" '06 Mini CooperS ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2007 15:38:21 -0500 From: "Jason Kay" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: UUC Digest <[email protected]> Subject: Shops Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Anyone every hear of or have dealings with Precision Motorsports Racing out of Califon, NJ? The 'net is a bit thin on them, but they sponsor local PCA events and are listed on UUC dealer list TIA, -Jason '86 951 "Sparky" '70 240Z "Dusty" '03 325xi "Daisy" '06 Mini CooperS ------------------------------ End of [bmwuucdigest] digest(14 messages) **********
