The BMW UUC Digest Volume 3 : Issue 400 : "text" Format Messages in this Issue: Re: Speed Kills? Re: Speed Kills? Re: Speed Kills? Speaking of bad media facts Re: Speaking of bad media facts Re: Speaking of bad media facts Re: Speaking of bad media facts Re: Speed Kills? Re: To be young and stupid <m52> trouble code advice? Re: <m52> trouble code advice?
---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2007 10:18:43 -0800 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [email protected] Subject: Re: Speed Kills? Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> The "driver" told us he just got his driver's license. If he was under 18, which appeared to be the case, Kahleefornya law prohibits him from carrying passengers for 6 months - or is it a year - they keep changing the law. (The reason for the law is that new young drivers do stoopid things like this when they first get their licenses, trying to "impress" their friends.) So he wouldn't want the cops to find out he was carrying passengers. The cops found out from neighbors anyway. Either scenario is possible, but the new driver scenario is more plausible. Why would a newly-licensed non-driver offer to take the rap for a "friend" who was driving while intoxicated? Then again, teens aren't known for applying impeccable logic. Scott Miller GGC BMW CCA >Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2007 09:04:34 -0600 >From: "Allen Skillicorn" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: <[email protected]> >Subject: Re: Speed Kills? >Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Sounds to me, like the actual driver was one of the run aways. > >If the driver was drinking or had an arrest warrant, he'd have a good reason to leave the scene of >the crime. Without a confession, it will be tough for them track down who was actually driving. > > ><Good for him, staying behind to take (at least some) responsibility ><face-to-face. ><He doesn't need friends like those anyway. ><-- ><Bob, father of two teenage boys ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2007 16:47:56 -0500 From: "Matt Bader" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[email protected]> Subject: Re: Speed Kills? Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> A recent study that was in the news (I saw it on CNN I think), said that the worst accident time for teenagers was not the typical week-end night of partying, but was actually right after school. Having passengers in the car was also shown to be a huge factor in accident rates. My son, now 24, quickly got himself caught up in the DMV penal system for stupid (but real) mistakes, and is looking at loosing his license for five years. Started with a DUI, then driving while license suspended, not following up on his DUI classes, and it snowballed to where he could be looking at 30 days in jail if he is not careful. He now lives in Houston and uses public transportation. Matt Bader 1998 M3/4 (Sitting in the garage til spring!) -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2007 1:19 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [UUC] Speed Kills? The "driver" told us he just got his driver's license. If he was under 18, which appeared to be the case, Kahleefornya law prohibits him from carrying passengers for 6 months - or is it a year - they keep changing the law. (The reason for the law is that new young drivers do stoopid things like this when they first get their licenses, trying to "impress" their friends.) So he wouldn't want the cops to find out he was carrying passengers. The cops found out from neighbors anyway. Either scenario is possible, but the new driver scenario is more plausible. Why would a newly-licensed non-driver offer to take the rap for a "friend" who was driving while intoxicated? Then again, teens aren't known for applying impeccable logic. Scott Miller GGC BMW CCA >Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2007 09:04:34 -0600 >From: "Allen Skillicorn" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: <[email protected]> >Subject: Re: Speed Kills? >Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Sounds to me, like the actual driver was one of the run aways. > >If the driver was drinking or had an arrest warrant, he'd have a good reason to leave the scene of >the crime. Without a confession, it will be tough for them track down who was actually driving. > > ><Good for him, staying behind to take (at least some) responsibility ><face-to-face. ><He doesn't need friends like those anyway. ><-- ><Bob, father of two teenage boys Search the ARCHIVES:http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected] __________________________________________________________________________ In memory of Michel Potheau - friend, enthusiast, founder of the BMW CCA. UUC Motorwerks - BMW Performance Fine-tuning and home of the Ultimate Short Shifter - accept no substitutes! 908-874-9092 . http://www.uucmotorwerks.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2007 17:04:44 -0500 From: Dennis Liu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "'Matt Bader'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, <[email protected]> Subject: Re: Speed Kills? Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Matt wrote: >A recent study that was in the news (I saw it on CNN I think), said that the worst accident time for teenagers was not the typical week-end night of partying, but was actually right after school. Having passengers in the car was also shown to be a huge factor in accident rates. ================== Just curious, but wondering if this is just another example of innumeracy among the media. I wonder if CNN did the underlying math. Is it surprising that the time period where the most accidents involving teengage drivers is after school? Not at all. Because it is also surely the time when most teenage driving time is accrued! In other words, it's because more teens are driving home, or to practice, or the mall, or to a friend's house, or to McD's, or wherever after school, so that the period from 2:30 to 5:30 constitutes 75% or 85% of the total amount of miles accrued by teen drivers, and, accordingly 75% or 85% of all accidents involving teen drivers occurs during 2:30-5:30. Sheesh. That's like the breaking news announcement, most DUI arrests are made between 10 pm and 2 am! Or that most cases of frostbite treatment at hospitals in North America occurs between December and March! Lol... Vty, --Dennis ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2007 17:30:40 -0500 From: "Russell Highton Jr" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[email protected]> Subject: Speaking of bad media facts Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Speaking of our media not doing their homework... My local news station recently did a "winter driving guide" segment. The guy stood there and said "If you are in a skid, put your car into neutral to get out of it" I promptly went ballistic. Oh no I'm sliding, I know, I'll take 50% of my control away! I guess with complete idiots, it can help???? -Russ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2007 15:04:04 -0800 (PST) From: Tammer Farid <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [email protected] Subject: Re: Speaking of bad media facts Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I saw something similar, along with the equally moronic advice to "place your hands at 4 and 8 o'clock." The airbag liability lawyers are now teaching us how to drive, I guess. So grab the wheel where it's harder to steer accurately, disconnect the throttle, and hang on! At least when you slide into a wall your airbag won't break your arms. Morons, every one. -tammer --- Russell Highton Jr <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Speaking of our media not doing their homework... My > local news station > recently did a "winter driving guide" segment. The guy > stood there and > said "If you are in a skid, put your car into neutral to > get out of it" > I promptly went ballistic. Oh no I'm sliding, I know, > I'll take 50% of > my control away! I guess with complete idiots, it can > help???? > > -Russ > > Search the > ARCHIVES:http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected] > > > __________________________________________________________________________ > In memory of Michel Potheau - friend, enthusiast, founder > of the BMW CCA. > > UUC Motorwerks - BMW Performance Fine-tuning and home of > the Ultimate > Short Shifter - accept no substitutes! > 908-874-9092 . http://www.uucmotorwerks.com > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Don't pick lemons. See all the new 2007 cars at Yahoo! Autos. http://autos.yahoo.com/new_cars.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2007 19:03:40 -0500 From: "Karl Rentler" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: [email protected] Subject: Re: Speaking of bad media facts Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> On 2/15/07, Tammer Farid <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I saw something similar, along with the equally moronic > advice to "place your hands at 4 and 8 o'clock." The > airbag liability lawyers are now teaching us how to drive, > I guess. > > So grab the wheel where it's harder to steer accurately, > disconnect the throttle, and hang on! At least when you > slide into a wall your airbag won't break your arms. > Morons, every one. > > -tammer I found out my GF's Cavalier has no handbrake (pull up and get nothing) on a rather icy road the other day. Yeeeeeeeeeha!!! FWD - handbrake = straight towards impending doom... Thank goodness for the slight berm on the side of the road prior to the 3 foot drop and trees. I told her about it, and she said that she noticed that months ago, but didn't care because she never uses it. Pro Rally Driver aka Karl Stayed at a Holiday Inn Express last night ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2007 19:24:04 -0500 From: "Russell Highton Jr" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Tammer Farid" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, <[email protected]> Subject: Re: Speaking of bad media facts Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Ah yes, the 4 & 8 comment was on the same one I saw as well... amazing. -Russ -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tammer Farid Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2007 6:04 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [UUC] Speaking of bad media facts I saw something similar, along with the equally moronic advice to "place your hands at 4 and 8 o'clock." The airbag liability lawyers are now teaching us how to drive, I guess. So grab the wheel where it's harder to steer accurately, disconnect the throttle, and hang on! At least when you slide into a wall your airbag won't break your arms. Morons, every one. -tammer ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2007 17:19:06 -0500 From: "Matt Bader" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[email protected]> Subject: Re: Speed Kills? Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Good points about the dangers of statistics. The one I hate the most is "average" (which is often confused with "median"). I had an investment advisor over the other day and he was telling our staff that the "average" 401(k) balance from someone hitting retirement age is now $35,000. Of course, what that statistic does not tell you is that there are a few lucky (or prudent) folks who have lots more than that stashed away, but most have far less than $35,000. Average doesn't tell you much. So, yes we need to be careful with the stats. Not sure of the details of this study about teen drivers, if it was based on miles driven, or what controls were used for making comparisons. Matt -----Original Message----- From: Dennis Liu [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2007 5:05 PM To: 'Matt Bader'; [email protected] Subject: RE: [UUC] Speed Kills? Matt wrote: >A recent study that was in the news (I saw it on CNN I think), said that the worst accident time for teenagers was not the typical week-end night of partying, but was actually right after school. Having passengers in the car was also shown to be a huge factor in accident rates. ================== Just curious, but wondering if this is just another example of innumeracy among the media. I wonder if CNN did the underlying math. Is it surprising that the time period where the most accidents involving teengage drivers is after school? Not at all. Because it is also surely the time when most teenage driving time is accrued! In other words, it's because more teens are driving home, or to practice, or the mall, or to a friend's house, or to McD's, or wherever after school, so that the period from 2:30 to 5:30 constitutes 75% or 85% of the total amount of miles accrued by teen drivers, and, accordingly 75% or 85% of all accidents involving teen drivers occurs during 2:30-5:30. Sheesh. That's like the breaking news announcement, most DUI arrests are made between 10 pm and 2 am! Or that most cases of frostbite treatment at hospitals in North America occurs between December and March! Lol... Vty, --Dennis ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2007 10:36:07 -0800 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [email protected] Subject: Re: To be young and stupid Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I learned to drive on the family 1962 Rambler Ambassador - had a 327 V8 with the biggest 2 barrel carb you've ever seen. Three speed auto with pushbutton shift to the left of the steering wheel. Was actually quite fast in 1st gear, I outran Mach 2 Mustangs off the line but they caught me by 35 MPH. Well they may have taken me if they knew I was racing them. The first car that was actually mine was a 1970 Fiat 124 Sport Coupe, French blue with beige cloth interior. Had 4 wheel discs, twin cams, (intentionally) intermittant wipers and a 5 speed stick before anyone else offered them in the U.S. Much fun to drive once you figured out the Mt. Whitney-like torque curve. At about 50K miles the time bomb went off and almost everything on the car fell apart or stopped working. Meanwhile a neighbor kid had a 1602. I should have gone in that direction and started my BMW addiction sooner (OBMWC). Good time, good times. Scott Miller GGC BMW CCA >Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2007 16:10:13 -0800 >From: David Thomas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: [email protected] >Subject: Re: To be young and stupid >Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >On Tuesday 13 February 2007 4:00:19 pm Matt Murray wrote: >> I had a Dodge Coronet 440 (318 ci motor, why oh why did Dodge put the >> distributor back at the firewall?) station wagon. Definitely not as cool as >> a Vista Cruiser a friend had. > >My first car was a '72 Datsun 510 with a really nasty L18 that I built (1st of >many engines it had)...had a few young and stupid moments in that car but it >sure taught me a lot about how to drive. > >Dave T. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2007 15:59:56 -0800 From: John Bolhuis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [email protected] Subject: <m52> trouble code advice? Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> The wife's '98 528i popped up with a P1421 and P1423 code - "2ndary air system bank 1" and "2ndary air system bank 1 flow too low" codes as far as I can tell from googling around. I checked the little vacuum line from that big ugly valve near the exhaust manifold and it's connected, intact, and flexible as far as I can reach it. Any collective wisdom on the next thing to check? Is it just time for something like that to fail? Will anything else break if I leave it alone until warmer weather? Did it just freeze up? (car spends its days outside at work, and it's been hella cold lately) thanks for input! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2007 16:09:15 -0800 From: Peter Loron <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [email protected] Subject: Re: <m52> trouble code advice? Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> At least on the E36 cars, the one-way valve into the exhaust manifold fails, allowing exhaust gas into the air pump. This eventually causes the pump to crap out. The pumps often are noisy (howling, vacuum cleaner, etc) as they progress to failure. The pump provides extra oxygen to the cats when starting up cold, helping to reduce emissions. Aside from whatever importance you place on reducing emissions from your car, if you need to pass an emissions check that pulls OBD-II codes, you'll need to get it fixed before your test. AFAIK, there's no harm past the emissions issues in leaving a dead pump in place. -Pete John Bolhuis wrote: > The wife's '98 528i popped up with a P1421 and P1423 code - "2ndary air > system bank 1" and "2ndary air system bank 1 flow too low" codes as far > as I can tell from googling around. I checked the little vacuum line > from that big ugly valve near the exhaust manifold and it's connected, > intact, and flexible as far as I can reach it. > Any collective wisdom on the next thing to check? Is it just time for > something like that to fail? Will anything else break if I leave it > alone until warmer weather? Did it just freeze up? (car spends its > days outside at work, and it's been hella cold lately) > > thanks for input! > > > Search the ARCHIVES:http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected] > > > __________________________________________________________________________ > In memory of Michel Potheau - friend, enthusiast, founder of the BMW CCA. > > UUC Motorwerks - BMW Performance Fine-tuning and home of the Ultimate > Short Shifter - accept no substitutes! > 908-874-9092 . http://www.uucmotorwerks.com ------------------------------ End of [bmwuucdigest] digest(11 messages) **********
