----- Original Message ----- From: "Erik Reuter" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Sunday, June 30, 2002 1:19 PM Subject: Re: Efficiency in Genocide
> On Sun, Jun 30, 2002 at 12:57:45PM -0500, Robert Seeberger wrote: > > > And here in Houston we do use AC in the middle of winter, so there are > > lots of days when the heat load from humans is pretty obvious here > > where it might not be so in other climates. I have personally seen > > people heat a room up to miserable temperatures. I know cuz I was > > miserable and everyone else was til we went to another room and heated > > it up. It wasnt fun at all. > > Once again I will point out that you need numbers if you want to discuss > such a situation scientifically (which is the way it should be discussed > unless you are just joking) What is silly is that you seem to think I might carry a thermometer with me to work. <G> Of course I cant give you numbers. And nobody is really trying to discuss anything "scientifically", its just a discussion of what it might take to accomplish something like this. > > Obvious heat load from humans? Well, Ronn gave a good example of when > it can be obvious: 30 people * 100W = 3kW in a ~ 30ft x 30ft room (I > assume without much else heat producers in it but lights, being a > classroom). For comparison, a common type of space heater is 1kW or so. Is that sitting still or working ones ass off. Makes a BIG difference you know. > > How many people were in the room where you thought it was > "obvious"? Which time? It happens a lot! It amazes me that you would even question it. I would think (perhaps mistakenly) that just about everyone would be aware of this. It common knowledge in my line of work. >What was the area or volume of the room? Was there sunlight > coming in any windows, if so, how much power from sun? What other > devices were in the room and how much heat were they producing? When > people moved from room to room, did they turn on/off lights, appliances, > computers, etc. when they moved? Its always more than one person. Usually 6 to 20 people who are working hard with minimal lighting because the power is shut down. We intentionally close the doors so as to contain our own heat in cold weather and open the doors in warm weather. The smaller the room the better obviously. We have made cold rooms warm enough for comfort during a lunch break. Kinda makes you proud when your work makes you comfortable like that. I might note that this is a bit different than the heat your body retains in work situations. People who come in from outside have been known to note the warmth and take off their coats upon entering the work area. Also, 30 is bigger than 1 (this sounds > silly stated that way, but your lack of numbers is making just this > mistake). When you make an observation you can't just assume you know > the cause of the phenomenon observed, it has to be reasonable, and one > good way to check if it is reasonable is to put numbers to the various > causes and see what you get. > You know, this would make for an interesting formal study. I wonder if anyone has actually studied this specificly? xponent I'm Hot Maru rob
