----- Original Message -----
From: "Jan Coffey" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Killer Bs Discussion" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2003 3:40 PM
Subject: Re: Most Dangerous States


>
> --- Dan Minette <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > One can kill someone in a split second of rage
> with the other, the former takes at least a bit of obvious effort.
>
> I have never understood this. Many males have been in that "Rage" state,
> especialy dufing puberty. If you haven't, I can tell you it's rather
scarry.
> The destructive urge is so greate that it must be released in some way.
>
> However, ones logical thinking abilities are not effected.

Could you please give a cite on this?  It contradicts much of what has bee

>You may become hyper angry, but sugesting that you also loose your
cognative abilities to
> diferintiate right from wrong seems to me to be rediculous.

People are still responsible for what they do.  But, it is a fact of human
behavior that some of the worst actions taken by people are taken on
impulse...they are not planned.  They cognative abilities aren't lost, but
they are often surpressed.


> Just becouse someone enters a rage state, does not mean that they do not
> understand that picking up a firearm and using it is going to  result in
> anothers death.

There can be a very surrealistic component to actions taken on impulse.
One of the factors involved with a gun is that is is much more surrealistic
than stabbing someone with a knife.

> If the person has the where withal not to use the firearm in a non rage
> state, then the same is true for the rage state. Just becouse some people
who
> have made the dicision to commit murder and decided to do it with a gun
> afterwards blame it on "rage" does not mean that anyone could slip into a
> state of rage and do something they would not otherwise do.

Out of curiosity, before I go to the effort of looking up data, I'd like to
ask if they would make any difference to you at all.  From earlier
discussions, it appears that you do not trust facts that contradict your
viewpoint, particuarly if they are expressed in statistical terms.
 >
> This -fear of rage- argument for not keeping a gun about is BS.

Really, then why did one of my Girl Scout Junior troop members from a few
years ago, get shot in the head at a graduation party by someone with a
concealed weapon?  There would be no reason in the world for him to plan to
shoot her, he really wasn't angry at her to begin with.  He didn't plan to
shoot her between the eyes, it just sorta happened.

Calling things you disagree with BS doesn't make it so.

Dan M.


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