Manifest Destiny is a term that dates back to the 1850s.  It's a term that
was coined by expansionists after the Louisiana Purchase. Manifest means
"evident." The term meant it was the U.S.'s inevitable destiny, God-given,
really, to expand from coast to coast. It was the rally cry that sent
pioneers west.

I would ask your friend, why would we engage in a war not in our best
interests?  Seems kind of ludicrous to expect us to, doesn't?  As for
engaging in war purely in the interest of democracy and freedom, see my post
on WWII. Other conflicts spring to mind, but I don't know much about those,
so I'll keep quiet. I'm sure if I say something, somebody will mention some
U.S. company that owned some borax mine or something. Fact is, in just about
any country, you make an economic justification for U.S. involvement, so
many of our companies have such far reaching interests.  We've also stuck
our neck out a few times for non-whites, but again, I'm not educated enough
on the details to give locations and dates. But I can think of a couple that
just maybe we had no economic interest.

H.


-----Original Message-----
From: Angel Stewart [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2001 4:39 PM
To: CF-Community
Subject: RE: The Anti Terrorism Act..


I'm listening.And learning :)
It is good to see differing, even sometimes radical, opinions expressed.

So don't stop now..this has the potential to be an interesting discussion.

BUt just to throw something out there...

Someone told me today that part of Bin Laden's goal is/was to prevent
America from 'taking over' the world.
It seems that there is a growing feeling amongst muslims that American
Capitalism, and morals or lack thereof, will
'takeover' their traditions and their way of life (such as it is), and that
this must be stopped at all costs. This person
believes that America is actively seeking to Rule The World and to increase
its powerbase and influence throughout the world
through economic forces, military maneuvers and its 'foreign policy'. She
said something about Manifest Destiny from the
1950s rearing its head all over again (anyone know what that is?). SHe also
agreed with Falloon when she said that she did
not know of any single time in History when America intervened somewhere
militarily against its National Interests (and this
includes Political interest of the then leader) or when it had nothing to
gain from that military conflict. In otherwords it
has never used its influence or its forces in any region of the world simply
to promote democracy, Freedom, or the American
Way.She claimed that despite what the majority of Americans seem to think,
and actually believe that htey are the great
protectors of Democracy and Freedom in the world, that they would never
agree to American lives being lost somewhere simply
to assure Freedom and a better way of life for a people, especially if that
people were non-white.

Any thoughts on all this?

I told her she was full of sh**, but I'd get back to her on that tomorrow
and ran out of the office ^_^.

-Gel



-----Original Message-----
From: Benjamin Falloon [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]

If I appear to have "anti-American blinders" on that only because I'm
out-number in this board 10-1. Therefore I have to push this perspective a
little more feverishly.

I'm not saying that american is responsible for all of the worlds ills. To
say this would be folly and never once have I said this. I wish people would
stop drawing this conclusion.

My point is very simple. The balance of power in the world is far too in
favour of the States and not by a small margin either. By a great divide.


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