PLEASE NOT THE "STARVING CHILDREN IN AFRICA BULL****" Have you ever been
to Africa? Have you ever seen the children? Do you know how much aid the
US gives to "starving" countries? I do! I've been there - Kenya,
Somalia, Eritrea. But in the end, we can only do so much. It really
comes down to the strong will survive. And war has nothing to do with
this. It's not one or the other. Sometimes it's both.

But hey, it's your opinion.

-----Original Message-----
From: Benjamin Falloon [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2001 5:15 PM
To: CF-Community
Subject: Re: The Anti Terrorism Act..


In my oppinion being proud of your country is why makes wars possible.
I think maybe concern for staving children in Africa is more
constructive
than national pride, but that's just my oppinion.


----- Original Message -----
From: "Raymond Camden" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2001 7:06 AM
Subject: RE: The Anti Terrorism Act..


> > I don't understand the opinions of a lot of Americans....
> > Americans seem to have a major superiority complex. All this
> > talk about 'heroes 'war' and patriotic ramble. Anyone could
> > be forgiven for thinking America was not a lot different from
> > other empires of the past like ancient Rome etc... Seems to
> > me Americans believe their life is more valuable than the
> > lives of other humans around the globe.
>
> Why is it that other countries are allowed to be proud of themselves,
> but when we are, it's a supiority complex? I happen to think America
is
> the best country in the world. Does that mean I'm crazy or feel that
I'm
> superior? No, it just means I'm proud of my country. Sure, I'm biased.
> Don't tell me the French don't think France is the best, or the
Germans,
> etc, etc.
>
> > I'm struck by the American media as well. If only the average
> > American could see the media from an outside perspective an
> > realise how much america (and by way of cultural imperialism,
> > the rest of the world) is being completely propagandised
> > (like I have never seen as extreme before). The whole good
> > and evil debate. You know how many people GW pissed off when
> > he used the word 'crusade' in his rhetoric? How offensive
> > must that have been to people of the Islamic faith (given
>
> That's too bad. So, let me get this straight... because of the
Crusades,
> we can't use the word "crusade" any more? That's almost as bad as the
> people complaining about the "Infinite Justice" code word. Give me a
> break.
>
> > history). Maybe our so called advanced civilisation really
> > isn't that different from the dark ages of the crusades... We
> > don't read anymore, we are incapable of forming independent
> > opinions, all we do is consume (which is the measure of our
> > worth) and we boil complex international politics down to
> > simple binaries philosophies because we are incapable of
> > seeing a more complex reality in which we aren't as innocent
> > as we make ourselves out to be. In short, we are reactionary
> > and are motivated by our emotions (fuelled by the media which
> > feeds on our fear). I really think that the so called
> > american 'way of life' is just a guise for maintaining
> > western luxuries at the expense of the rest of the world.
>
> Now here you have some good points. I do think people too often take
the
> easy way out... ie, it's simpler to take the media's news w/o
> questioning it fully. I'd be willing to bet, however, that this has
been
> a human frailty in all cultures...  well, those cultures that were
> powerful and rich, which we are ... I'm not saying that makes us
better,
> I'm just saying that this has an impact on how we see the world.
>
> -RC
> 

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